http://www.infowars.com/shocking-footage-americans-ordered-out-of-homes-at-gunpoint-by-swat-teams/ I do not recall anything in the Constitution granting the police/feds an exception to the 4th amendment....
I am going to be making daily posts here: http://www.politicalforum.com/political-opinions-beliefs/299537-police-state-usa.html
Go ahead and do it but they're just going to be directly challenged and laughed at in the same manner as your first one. Where's the substance? Where's the Gestapo abuses? In your head maybe? Maybe a good place to keep them if they aren't doing you any mental harm.
They do what they have to do and when nobody makes any formal complaints it should be telling all of you that the "Gestapo" charges are goody crap that doesn't deserve any further attention. Or would you like to give it a try?
This charge of police abuse and Gestapo tactics is all libertarian pie in the sky nonsense. For lack of a stronger word that's acceptable to the mods. It needs to be treated with the disdain and laughter it deserves. go away all you libertarian conspiracy theory creeps, you waste the time of decent and reasonable people. Go pull the wings off some house flies and maybe your mommies will give you the attention you so crave. this forum and ordinary sane and resonsible people deserve better than you freaks!
You claim we want attention when we actually want the opposite. Thats the point, going into people's homes without the permission is wrong. How do you call yourself "decent" when you are the ones that want the perverbial human (big government) to pull the wings off the fly (citizens)? Let it go for this one case, then the next, then the next, then eventually it happens to you and you want others to be appauled then? If you dont think it can happen to you, or you never speak out? Do you really agree with both parties that much that you would never disagree with a policy they make?
Well you're so right friend! And so now you're going to tell us about some specific instance of that Gestapo police abuse right? RIGHT?
When one arrives at ones front door, all decked out in military gear carrying automatic weapons and demands not only access to your home but push weapons in the homeowners face and demands their absolute obedience, well, just how was that different than Gestapo tactics...Do they need to shoot someone to get the publics attention, like the cops in California did when they chased that cop killer a few months ago.
It always starts small. It started with the (un)-patriot act, they said they can listen to phone calls. Then moved to looking in your homes with IR technology. Now they are just marching in to your home without proof the suspect is there. I would have told them "No", you cant come in my house.
On the flipside, had the suspects gotten away, everyone would be blaming authorities for not doing enough to catch them. It's a lose-lose situation oftentimes.
They didnt catch them, it was a private citizen that found the last suspect in the hiding place and alerted police to his location.
True, but what if a hostage situation had happened instead? I sympathize with a lot of libertarian stances, but when the cops are looking for a guy who just blew up several people, you can be certain that the reactions are going to be more aggressive than normal by cops.
And what happens when that pot starts to boil over and the frog dies because it didnt realize it was being cooked alive? He killed 3 people with a bomb, and one few days later with a gun, there are people that kill more than that over a longer period of time and will it be ok for cops to start searching for serial killers this way? What about serial rapist? How about robbers? Then those that just speak up against this type of searches?
Most murders don't involve injuring over a hundred people. I view all government with a wary eye, but at the same time, I'm realistic in that some amount of aggression will occur. If you think Boston's response was overblown, you should see what they do in a lot of other countries. Even in many of our peers, responses to terror are a lot more of a "lockdown."
I agree, and thats why I never want to start down that road. The movie "The Seige" is pretty scary with some foreshadowing.
http://cnsnews.com/blog/bob-parks/has-watertown-made-warrantless-searches-new-normal This is a very dangerous precedent...
Hmmm. As soon as we start to refer to the Gestapo we are pretty much done with reasonable debate. Let's try a reset. With the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, there does seem to be a case for overreach. It appears excessive to force your way into a private residence with the justification that we saw someone we don't like within a mile of your house. Perhaps more of a concern was the same thing happening across town based on looking for someone we don't like that you seem to know. A blanket warrant to search every house in Boston for a single person seems more befitting King George that the USA. The one discovered event that has caught my eye is the final shoot out. It has now emerged that the police discharged some 200 rounds into a boat containing an unarmed suspect. You can play all the what if games you want but the facts remain that; a) he was still a suspect not a convict; b) it still just an assumption at that point that the bleeding man was the one they were looking for; c) he had no guns, explosives or even a pocket knife. Given that most of the law enforcement officers in New England were surrounding him at the time, perhaps a bit more judicial use of deadly force could have been used to cow a badly wounded 19 year old. I do not question the acts of the individual officers who served bravely at great personal risk. My questions are directed to the supervision of the operation that ordered the largest house to house search in memory and gave the order to fire into the boat with what appears to be excessive force. One would think that supervision is needed to prevent undo overreach, not to initiate it.
A more important question is...how does one shoot two hundred rounds at a 30ft boat out of the water, without getting any return fire, and only hit the target once (he was arrested with two wounds, one in the neck recent and one in the leg old). The rounds should have gone completely through the boat....and the perp
He had earlier thrown explosives at the cops during the chase. - - - Updated - - - Depends on the ammo used.
