FBI & Others Livid: Interrogation of Dzhokhar Was Stopped

And therefore

What was extraordinary about it?

 

Except when you engage in acts of war against us helping a foreign national and foreign entities engaged in acts of war against us you lose certain rights of citizenship. Just as in WW2 with American citizens who fought on the side of the Nazi's or the Japanese. They became combatants and were treated as combatants. And when two of them acted as a sabotuers they were tried by military commission and sentenced by them. Both to death but one had his sentence commuted to life because he had turned himself in.

And historically what have we done with traitors, spies and saboteurs?

 

Because of the FBI investigation, the older brother's citizenship process was held up. Furthermore, his intentions were only manifested until after he returned from russia, not beofre. And considering he has been here since he was 13 years old, you need more info such as direct links to foreign governments or foreign entities to have declared the older brother as an enemy combantant.

As for the younger brother, he is a U.S. citizen. nothing that led up to his oath indicated he was either capable or involved in such a thing until his brother came back from Russia in December 2012.

so, yes, there has to be more than just ethnicity or relgion to make someone an enemy combatant.

 

I'm backtracking on that opinion.

Shutting down a major US city was extraordinary but I think Obama had less to do with it than I first thought.

If for no other reason that he was not as interested in finding the bombers after they turned out to not be white Christian conservatives as libs were hoping for.

 

Under this administration the 'definitions' apparently changed. If 'right wing extremists' are a target group, regardless of attacks that have happened, US citizens must have the protections that have been proscribed by the Founders' or its all for naught. In the case of Boston it was precisely what many expected, the direct opposite of what the government was spewing. All that matters is this one was granted citizenship, and we could argue the legitimacy of that all day, but as a US citizen all rights must be observed or you toss them out for everyone else...

 

They should have tried him for treason, denaturalized him then consider him an enemy combatant and dragged him off to GITMO for a proper interrogation.

 

This isn't about "everyone else", everyone else did not engage in an act of war against us in support of foreign entities engaged in acts of war against us.

 

lol. cant happen

 

They can still try Tsarnaev for treason under the "Patriot Act". If only Holder could have been stopped before WACO...

 

Agreed.

TITLE 8--ALIENS AND NATIONALITY

CHAPTER 12--IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY

SUBCHAPTER III--NATIONALITY AND NATURALIZATION

Part III--Loss of Nationality
Sec. 1481. Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized
citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions
"(7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by
force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States,
violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section
2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of
section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by
engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by
force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against
them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a
court of competent jurisdiction."

 

There is a well known, except to you it seems, 48 hour exception to this rule when great matters of
public safety in the mix.
This isn't some guy caught jimmying open a cigarette machine at an all night laundromat....this is a cold blooded killer terrorist with, almost certainly, a terrorist cell of like minded cretins that are now all scrambling back for cover because Eric Holder and Obama blindsided the FBI and, without notice, threw the FBI out of business in this matter
and off the case. Two questions, if you have the guts to reply:

Do you feel safer now that Barry Obama, cut the legs out from under the FBI? And do you think that just a few more hours of FBI interrogation are worth the arms and legs (and life) of the next victims that inevitably will suffer down the road because information will now dry up like a turned off faucet?

Obama and his stooge Holder gave this Chechnyan scumbag a layer of protection he was
not absolutely entitled to. How is our constitution served by that?

 

48 hours from what point in time?

 

But not to some others, apparently.
It's more important, to some people, to give every right to this bomber (which all agree is guilty as hell)
to which he is not entitled (the 48 hour exception applies in this case without a doubt), then gain information that could save the lives of innocent Americans down the road.

It's more than sad that Americans would rather seem politically correct and feel pleased about themselves than
give our justice system it's legal opportunity to information that it will now forever be shut off from, in all likelyhood.

 

The new breed of Bushist-Palinite "conservative" only likes the US constitution when it is convenient. That's why they love the "Patriot Act" torture and any other form of overbearing government intrusion. They are phony conservatives and most are imbeciles who get their information from blowhards on AM radio.

 

From his detention, I would imagine, not accounting for his unconsciousness upon being picked up.

 

that's certainly not you

 

Obama and the libs lost interest in justice when they found it was a Muslim immigrant doing the bombings rather than white Christian conservatives as they were hoping for.

Using lib logic why pick on a poor mistreated minority for lashing out at America which has done so much to harm so many around the world?

 

I tend to agree with you.

I find it amazing those who are so quick to cry foul when their own rights are threatened seek to strip others of rights.

 

I believe it is.

I don't parrot the caned opinions that the lib news media feeds to Obama voters but at least I arrive at my thoughts under my own steam.

 

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What "right" is that? The right to send nail heads and ball bearings through walls of human flesh and bone to accomplish maximum death and suffering?

Keeping in mind that the 48 hour exception is absolutely legal and approved by the Supreme Court (NY v. Quarles) how is anyone being stripped of their rights? I didn't think it was possible to have less respect for you than I already had but now I see how wrong I was.

 

you're fooling yourself

 

Racism. Pure and simple.

Timothy McVeigh got his Miranda Rights, due process and a trial.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has to get his guaranteed rights as a citizen.

McVeigh killed 168 people and injured over 800.
Tsarnaevs killed 3 people and injured over 263.

 

Racism?

I think you mean Islamophobia.

And in either case you are wrong.

If anyone is bending the rules to pander to racists it is Obama pimping for the Islamic nazis that want to kill Americans.

 

Laugh out Loud! The idiotic all purpose charge of racism is now being used when a black president and attorney general stop the FBI from legally trying to extract information about further terrorist incidents from a white guy! How stupid is that?

Has Tsarnaev been denied the right to a trial and his day in court? Where can I find this news?

And? So?