Arab settlement flies Nazi flag in Israel

Well that is not what the British papers say

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/releases/2006/january/january1/palestine.htm

They Zionists wanted the Palestinians out of Palestine so that they could replace them. Not all granted. Many would have stopped with the borders before the 67 war. But that ended it. Oslo was a way for time. They are reaching end stage now.

I also refer you to

http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...-flies-nazi-flag-israel-3.html#post1062654183

They don't have the same feelings at all. They don't like Israeli for what she has done and admittedly they often have a habit of being sloppy and saying Jews and indeed in Gaza I understand it is dangerous for a Jew to go but that is because when they hear they word Jew they see someone killing their loved ones and imprisoning them. Totally different reasons. The nazis were a bit more like our present Muslim haters.

2nd class citizenship as has been proved to you more times than all the cows in the world have come home.

absolutely false again as you have repeatedly been shown proper evidence for.

Ha ha, the propaganda line. The real question is, is their standard equal with Jewish Nationals. The answer a resounding No.

This is just another example of your racism coming from colonial times.

Reported.

 

It does sound bizarre. If it is fake they clearly are not getting the reaction they wanted.

 

I thought the sarcasm was self evident. apparently not.

 

So then you must see the need to include those 'buts' and 'ifs.' Perhaps if we were sitting at a peace conference you would have a point, but we are not; we are on a political forum largely inhabited by numskulls.

 

The Bears were left out because EVERYONE, world wide knows, since Ditka was dethroned; Da' Bears can't beat anyone.

 

Lets agree to disagree.

 

I might ad that this nice fella is a Pole and had a Jewish step father to boot... the only thing that amazes me is the fact that there is nothing redeemable in what he says, for alas he has forgotten his roots and speaks for his alleged friend 'the Muslims' he brags to be in propinquity with.

 

I explained a Trillion times Arabs are not indigenous to Canaan.... Even if they were... then, they were also absorbed by the Israelites (There were no Muslims then)...

 

Check it out, Bendor, and put a sock in it;

 

I will not even consider retorting to your turbulent logic, I will let the author of this piece speak for me.
Ah if you find a Roman coin in your backyard this is not Archeology this must be a sign that the Roman conqueror passed by. Israel is the Land of the Jews and your simplistic attitude to it forces me to stick it to the poles.


IN A NUTSHELLl:

Why eastern Jerusalem, and Judea and Samaria are Jewish

http://arlenefromisrael.squarespace.com/336554365346/

[] The historical heritage of the Jewish people in the land lies to the east:

In eastern Jerusalem -- the City of David and the Temple Mount.

In Judea and Samaria -- in Hebron (Judaism’s second holiest city) where the ancient Machpelah, the Tomb of the Patriarchs, is situated; Shilo, where the Tabernacle rested; Beit El, where Jacob had his dream; and much more.

[] Jerusalem was a Jewish city 3,000 years ago, and has never been a capital in all those years for any nation other than the Jewish nation. In fact, in the intervening time between the destruction of the Second Jewish Commonwealth and founding of modern Israel, the area called “Palestine” (so named by the Romans) was never an independent nation or separate local political autonomy — it was always an appendage to a larger area of conquest, whether by the Romans or various Muslim groups including the Ottomans, or the British. During all of those conquests, a Jewish presence remained.

[] With the Mandate for Palestine of 1922, the League of Nations conferred upon Britain responsibility of developing Palestine as a Jewish homeland: ALL of Palestine, at a minimum from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea. Close settlement by Jews was to be encouraged. That Mandate has never been superseded in international law; the United Nations assumed legal responsibilities.

[] In 1947, because of Arab unrest, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution proposing that Palestine be divided into a nation for the Jews and another for the Arabs. The Jews accepted this proposal, the Arabs refused it.

This proposal was no more than that — General Assembly resolutions are not binding within international law. And so this proposal changed nothing with regard to the law. What is more, the Arabs REFUSED what had been proposed for them because they didn’t want to divide the land, they wanted all of it.

Thus…

[] In April 1948, amidst declarations of the intention to destroy the brand new Jewish state, the Arab League declared war on Israel.

When the Arabs lost, in 1949, Jordan had gained control of Judea and Samaria and eastern Jerusalem; Egypt controlled Gaza. The Jews had the area roughly within what is today called the Green Line, which included western Jerusalem.

The Green Line was an ARMISTICE line, not a border. In fact, when Jordan signed the armistice treaty with Israel, it made mention specifically of the fact that this armistice line was not to prejudice future negotiations for final borders.

This fact alone puts the lie to the notion, so commonly touted today, that Israel’s “proper border” is the Green Line and that everything beyond is Arab.

What is more, the armistice treaty was signed with Jordan, not with some entity called the Palestinian people. The understanding was that Jordan would be on the other side of wherever that eastern border of Israel was finally drawn.

IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND: Jordan rendered eastern Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria Judenrein during its 19 year occupation of these areas. This, and this alone, is why these places are referred to as “Arab.” This happened only by default because no Jews were permitted to live there. In eastern Jerusalem, Jordan destroyed synagogues and violated Jewish cemeteries.

All promises made by Jordan to respect Jewish religious rights were ignored and Jews could not visit the Kotel from 1949 to 1967.

It was only during this period, in all of Jerusalem’s 3,000 year history, that the city was divided.

[] In 1967, Israel fought a DEFENSIVE war (the Six Day War) when the Arab states again attempted to destroy her. At the end of this war, Israel was in control of all of Jerusalem, as well as Judea and Samaria, and Gaza (and the Golan). Eastern Jerusalem was subsequently united with the rest of the city under full Israeli jurisdiction and civil law; the right of all religions to their holy places has been honored since. The Golan was incorporated into the civil administration of Israel as well.

In Gaza, and Judea and Samaria, what Israel did was to assume control of what was legally still unclaimed Mandate land. (We have since withdrawn from Gaza, which is now in the hands of the terrorists Hamas.)

Note: The term” occupation” is applied to Israel’s administration of these areas, but the term is being used erroneously: Occupation occurs when the forces of one nation enter the territory of another. This is not the case here as Judea and Samaria were not part of any country. This is still unclaimed Mandate land to which Israel has a very strong claim.

[] At the end of the war, the UN Security Council passed Resolution 242, which called for pullback by Israel from some but not all of the land that she had taken.

The resolution acknowledged that the pre-’67 lines would not be secure borders.

This again puts the lie to any idea that Israel belongs only behind the Green Line.

IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND: According to Resolution 242, Israel did not have to withdraw from any land until there were negotiations completed on this issue that assured the territorial integrity, sovereignty and security of all nations – which includes Israel. This has never happened.

Also this: Resolution 242 does not even mention a Palestinian State or a Palestinian people. The understanding remained that negotiations would be with Jordan.

[] The Oslo Accords of 1993 did NOT promise the Palestinian Arabs a state. That term, "Palestinian State" is not mentioned. The final result, after a transitional period of five years, was to be a “Permanent Status, which was widely considered to be an Autonomy.

Claims by Palestinian Arabs that we took “their” land is erroneous. It was never theirs.

Claims by Palestinian Arabs that they were an indigenous people, on the land for many generations, is also a misrepresentation. There is solid documentation for the fact that a substantial part of this group, identified only as part of the Arab nation, migrated into Palestine in the years shortly before the founding of Israel.



Arlene Kushner, an expert on Middle East affairs, provides insight into current events as well as an analysis of historical trends. Copyright © 2012, Arlene from Israel. All rights reserved.

 

and Europeans are?

Besides of which both archeology and genetics suggests that the majority of Palestinians have roots in the area for up to 5000 years.

 

Actually I made a mistake there. I should have said antisemites and zionists though yes, it is true Nazis and zionists were also on the same page. Not to be mistaken with Jews in general who were antizionism. I have not changed from my own position. However it is important to be honest about history. Zionists went with the same antisemitism which had been circulating in Europe since the change came around with the printing of bibles in the 16th C, leading to the wrong assumption that European Jews should be in Palestine, followed by from Napoleon the intention to colonise Palestine with European Jews. The whole situation changing from one of religion to seeing the Jews as a different race in the 19th C.

The article I left in post 27 http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...-flies-nazi-flag-israel-3.html#post1062654183 goes into this in full detail so I would say that you are deliberately twisting things to suggest I said something different to what I said.

I suggest you read that now and get back to me rather than coming on with insults which have nothing to do with what was said due to your lack of comprehension and understanding of history.

In so far as the Zionist intention is to get rid of the Palestinians from it's land and always has been the Zionists with powers choice. Yes. It is exactly the same and with that the Zionists were 100% behind Nazi Germany and Nazi Germany behind Zionists.

I didn't say that. I answered your feeling that we should all be in tears about a West Bank village having a Nazi flag. If indeed it does. It means nothing to me at all. You are the people harming the Palestinians not the other way round. Why should a flag bother me. I also said on the level of humanity I believe the feeling should be with the Palestinians the people who are being and have been being ruthlessly disposed by Zionists and the colonial West. The fact that you yourself do absolutely nothing to change the situation is why I have little sympathy for you. I noted my sympathy for those Israel's who take action to end the injustice of the Palestinians.

I haven't changed at all. I just didn't let you manipulate me.

http://jfjfp.com/?p=43500

 

BALONEY...
Prove your flimsy allegation!!!!!!!! The only visible roots is their lobbing of stones... They belong to the <stone age> according to you!!!

 

I want to emphasize that all the Anti Zionists group the so called <NETUREI KARTA> the noise makers, the turbulent forceful haters of Israel are approximately 5000 to 8000 worldwide.

 

That makes no difference to what I said. It makes no difference to the arguments of the paper I gave. It makes no difference to the reality that prior to the holocaust or certainly to the 30's antisemitism in Europe, most Jews were against the concept of taking over the Palestinian State. It makes no difference to the reality that Germany and the West in general did then and does now support Zionism and that Nazism supported Zionism and that Zionists supported antisemitism of all sorts. It makes no difference to the argument in that article that possibly most of the antizionist Jews were the people killed in the Holocaust because they did not move. That was the one new concept to me in that quote I gave. All I knew was that Jews prior to the holocaust in general did not approve of Zionism and after it appears they all did. I assumed it was the psychological shock of the holocaust - which the article claims is the only place where Germany went against what the US and Europe wanted. Apart from that they were both in agreement. Jews out of Europe and presumably if possible the US and into Palestine. It had never occurred to me before that a possible reason for this change was that most of the antizionist Jews were killed in the holocaust and the zionist ones escaped. I doubt he is completely right in that but it may have a point.

You are also wrong about NETUREI KARTA being the only antizionist Jews. Many previous zionist British Jews are now and many more are just holding on trying to be loyal to Israel but finding it more and more difficult as it simply does not fit in with their morals or how they are treated. Same with American and other European Jews. I'd hold on to the Christian Zionists if I was you. They are your only hope ....only they are wanting Armageddon and most of you dead.

 

Oh yes the Palestinian State???????? Who was the Palestinian Prime Minister, I bet you know that by heart... Well I have good news for you this place was called the Ottoman Empire from 1517-1917 when the Brits liberated Jerusalem and Damascus... there was never an endependent Palestinian State and take this to the Bank. The rest of the Paragraph is high voltage with no amperage, just a jolt and nothing else.

Another shout in the wilderness.

Not really, we will not live forever neither the ingrained hate of the Arabs will... We are all mortals...
But look at the walking/talking cadaver Mahmoud Abbas-Abu Mazen, his day is bound to come soon.

And the Christian Zionist can believe in what they want to believe but it is nice to know you have 70 million humans backing you to the hilt.

 

what exactly is an anti-zionist these days?

If a jew is anti-zionist, is he advocated the dissolution of the state of Israel? Or just its declaration that its the "jewish homeland"?

Alexa, I suggest you examine exactly what the theological basis of the neutrei karta actually is. They are religious wingnuts focused on achieving the end times.............oh exactly like Islamists and fanatical christians only different.

 

Sorry, what?

 

Now you wish to play the grammar nazi? Okay, mea culpa

If a jew is anti-zionist, does he advocate the dissolution of the state of Israel?

Can you answer the question, or is the answer too inconvenient?

 

I was not clear what you were asking, not being a grammar Nazi.

In answer to your question, I don't think there is catch all answer. Some may. Others may not. Finkie could be called an AZ, but has not called for the state itself not to exist, while other 'anti Zionist' Jews do/have.

The answer is - depends.

 

Wow... this thread has gone to places well beyond the OP.

I think that some things should be clarified here. Jews and Muslims were at odds well before the National Socialist German Workers' Party was ever formed. Centuries before. It's not surprising that Arab leaders allied their nations with Germany during World War II because Arabs and Jews already considered themselves ancient enemies. Thus it's not surprising that someone with anti-Israeli leanings would fly a Nazi flag to anger Israelis.

In regards to indigenous people- this is largely a matter of opinion depending on what point in history someone wants to pick out. Paleoanthropology, supported by genetics, tells us that humans originated in Africa, so no humans are indigenous to any other continent. Furthermore, no one is innocent here because, and I don't care what anyone says, there is no religion that does not contain a geopolitical element to it's ideology. The situation between Israel and Palestine is a textbook example of why Church and State should always remain separate. No nation should make decisions based on religious ideals, religious goals, or religious rights.

Of course, one could also argue that this whole thing began with one stupid woman. Sara, who sent her husband (who certainly is not blameless) to the bed of a servant because they needed an heir. Jews, the sons of Isaac. Arabs, the sons of Ishmael. If it is true that this story really illustrates the split between these people then all of them should feel ashamed that they've carried on this dispute, and allowed it to evolve, over all this time. How ridiculous.

For me, the use of the Nazi flag seems in very poor taste, but I hail from a nation that lost hundreds of thousands of enlisted during World War II fighting against the Axis Powers. And my progenitors hail from a nation that was decimated by the German military and then occupied by Stalin's forces until 1991.

 

in which case the term is more or less worthless since it can describe a very broad range of perspective from dissolution to total capitulation (to un resolutions etc thereby ending the occupation and enabling a nation of palestine to exist).

Such imprecision clouds our ability to engage in substantive communication and debate. When one of the most fundamental terms of the debate has differing meanings to any and all engaged, we simply go around in circles (to paraphrase billy preston).

 

"I'd hold on to the Christian Zionists if I was you. They are your only hope ....only they are wanting Armageddon and most of you dead."

That was a good one Alexa. But actually there are 3 basic groups hoping for Armageddon besides the 3 evil spirits of Revelation 16: apostate Christians, apostate Muslims & apostate "Jews".

 

Palestine is part of Syria, and the people of Syria and Palestine accepted the Messiah, Jesus Christ and became Christian Israel.
Abraham was Syrian. Isaac's wife was Syrian, Jacob/Israel's 4 wives were Syrian. Thus Syria is the mother and father of Israel. Yet the Ashkenazi types pretending to be Israel hate Syria and the rest of Semitic mankind.

The Pharisee types rejected Christ and were mostly killed by 70 A.D. with the survivors being deported.

No matter how pure the blood line to Patriarch Israel of the Israelis may be:

Moses laid down the law that whoever would not hearken to the coming Prophet, the Messiah, shall be cut off from his people. So anyone, who would not be covered by the Atonement of the New Covenant, is cut off. Thus, you are a cut off entity - with your very existence being insurmountable evidence of Forgiveness; For &#8220;.. if you don&#8217;t believe I am He, you will perish in your sins.&#8221; (you are cut off) [John 8:24]

Your belief system has never been Judah, for, &#8220;&#8230; he is Judah, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.&#8221; [Romans 2:29]

Your belief is in the religion of Judith &#8211; Yehudette, Esau&#8217;s first wife, expert in sensuousness & idolatry.

Esau was vehemently hateful towards his father Isaac, his brother, Jacob. So in fueling Esau&#8217;s hatred, Yehudette inspired the first chapters of the traditions of the elders that make the Word of God of no effect. And, who was the First Elder? None other than Esau.

Yehudette is the basis for the evolution of the name of Edom&#8217;s religion, which is to get back the Birthright by pretending to be Israel while being himself. http://mysite.verizon.net/ress8ouv/religion_of_no_mercy/

 

I agree with absolutley nothing that you just posted.
You seem to think that you are the holder of truth, the one who knows it all, sadly - you are wrong.

Most jews were/are zionists, or at least were/are indifferent about it, as zionism advocated the return of the jews to their historic homeland - Israel, while some felt perfectly at home in the lands they were living in.
At first, when nazism was all about "Germany for germans", and not about killing jews, zionists tried to work with what they had - haavara agreement and such.
Later on, when it became apperant that the Nazis intend to kill the jews, and not just move them elsewhere, all ties were broken.
You had a very small % of zionists who still tried to do business with the nazi regime, but they were outcasted.

If the zionist intention has always been to get rid the palestinians, then we are very bad at it, as the population continues to grow.

A flag should bother you since it represents a regime that tried to annihilate an entire group of people. if if doesnt bother you - that says a lot about you.

In short - just look at your animosity towards me in your post.
" I would say that you are deliberately twisting things to suggest I said something different to what I said"
"I suggest you read that now and get back to me rather than coming on with insults which have nothing to do with what was said due to your lack of comprehension and understanding of history."
"You are the people harming the Palestinians "
"The fact that you yourself do absolutely nothing to change the situation is why I have little sympathy for you"
"I just didn't let you manipulate me"

I'll leave you to see your behaviour for yourself.