Suspicious death of two FBI agents creates controversy

Two well-trained Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) agents who were involved in the killing of a Boston bombing suspect have suspiciously died.


The FBI said in a statement that 41-year-old Christopher Lorek and 40-year-old Stephen Shaw were killed on May 17 as they fell out of a helicopter into water during a training mission off the coast of Virginia Beach.

US officials have blamed bad weather for the tragedy but some have questioned the credibility of the official account, considering it a cover-up.

They say the agents’ death adds to the suspicious death of a friend of the Boston bombing suspect, Ibragim Todashev, who was killed in his own apartment by an FBI agent.

Lorek and Shaw were part of the bureau's Critical Incident Response Group and were both members of the team investigating the Boston Marathon bombings in mid-April.


“You could always take it as one of an endless group of coincidences. We have so many [of them], when you look at the Boston investigation that these two individuals were involved in, everything had the stamp of CIA and FBI on it, from the first steps,” Gordon Duff, senior editor of Veterans Today, told Press TV.

“What we have in the US is that we don’t report, we don’t have the least free press here. There are powerful dissident elements within our military, intelligence services and government that are under the control of... I’ll call them organized crime on a worldwide basis. If you refer to hundreds of billions of dollars worth of narcotics and trillions of dollars worth of financial crimes, it is simply organized crime, it is the understatement of all time,” he added.

The incident has reminded many of the dramatic death of top US commandos in Afghanistan, who lost their lives three months after their involvement in the alleged killing of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in 2011.

On August 6, 2011, the helicopter of the Navy SEAL Team VI was shot down in Afghanistan.

The families of Navy SEAL members have blamed the government for the tragedy, saying the shooting down of the helicopter and the subsequent cover-up was planned by the government.

They said that US President Barack Obama turned the SEALs group into a Taliban target after the administration revealed they had conducted the bin Laden raid.

The families also claimed Taliban militants had received leaked information from the US government regarding the landing site of the commandos’ helicopter.

Moreover, the SEAL Team VI members were reportedly flown to the landing site with a Vietnam-era Chinook helicopter rather than with their customary Special Forces choppers.

“There is absolutely nothing that is credible about that; this is not a mission they would have been on, this is not a helicopter they would have been on,” Duff pointed out.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/05/27/305627/death-of-fbi-agents-creates-controversy/

As he states, you can either put everything down to a series of random coincidences on an almost amazing scale, or you can perhaps look a bit deeper.

Not so deep that you fill the gaps with whatever you made up, but certainly more deep than to take everything the actual agents of international crime mafia tell you at face value, maybe?

The first fair question anyone should ask is 'why'..? Let us suppose there is more to this than a series of stunning coincidences, and that nefarious actions are afoot. What incentive would those that perhaps offed them have?

Well, actually, this is not so hard to understand at all. It can best be understood by calling it a Bolshevik mentality, and that involves them often killing those that helped them the most...first of all.

Jack

 

Okay, it may seem suspicious. But can anyone offer any plausible reason why people in the government would have something they would be willing to kill for to keep hidden in this case?

The only thing I can think of is possibly that the CIA might have provided covert funding/training in Dagestan. But it still does not seem like something they would be willing to kill their own agents over.

 

After reading the few first lines I thought immediately of the SEALS after Bin Laden!

Now where is Allegorical Fact today

she will love this one and if she says they were assassinated then today I will agree with her

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really?

a book deal and a few million $$$$ blackmail threat

 

Why?

Killing is what they do best, is why, and a paper trail they do not like to leave.

No loose ends.

No risk if any agent starts to sound like he may get a whistle and blow.

Moreover, as I said in the OP, it is not an uncommon thing for a malevolent system to first kill those that helped them most..

 

The wonderful thing about conspiracy theories is that when you believe them nothing else will matter.

 

But there really needs to be a good reason to kill their own agents. Not only do suspicious deaths draw unwanted attention, but if the conspiracy was ever uncovered they would be in a world of trouble.
There would really need to be something that someone is trying to keep secret. And I cannot think of anything plausible of what that might be in this situation.

 

Don't worry about thing......Eric Holder will "investigate" and report on all findings.

Move along.......Nothing to see here.

 

You have it wrong. It is blind belief that causes the problems, and I would ask no one blindly believes anyone, anymore, esp not those that are v rich, and have the biggest agenda's, and certainly NO ONE in modern politics, as they are ALL liars in the same game.

That is simply called being logical, since only a fool would blindly believe agenda driven proven liars, right?

It is a matter of going where the truth takes you, even if at times you need to double back, even if at times it even takes you into areas that shatter all previously held notions.

I don't expect you to agree, for obvious reason, but that is how it is.

Moreover, when I read things like this..


The families of Navy SEAL members have blamed the government for the tragedy, saying the shooting down of the helicopter and the subsequent cover-up was planned by the government.


...I believe the words of the families merit more attention, than those of Karma Mechanic, on the internet.

 

RUSSIAN FAIL! the two FBI agents were not "involved in the killing". they were part of the Hostage Rescue Unit. the reason they were well trained, is that they were constantly training and in fact died while training.

"they say". of course. Nothing like unnamed sources to promote a conspiracy. why do you fall for such an obvious disinformation technique?

Yes the salaciously named Veteran's Today. there isn't a shred of evidence to support the "stamp of CIA" on the investigation and last time I looked it was the FBI's mandate to investigate such incidents. More spurious word smithing.

If there is no free press in america, how does he explain his sites existence? ooops.

So the members of the successful mission to eliminate the US's enemy #1 are lauded by the president and three months later, a conspiracy targets them. I must say it is very very suspicious that some members of an ELITE COMMANDO unit were killed in combat. Everyone know's Seals are invincible.

"they" right. SEAL's were turned into an enemy target because the nation's number one counter terrorist team was used to take out the nation's number one wanted terrorist.

Yes indeedy that must be it. Arbitrarily killing those that help you the most. Makes perfect sense......to the crazies of the world.

 

Actually the families have no more information than I do when it comes to this. But you are calling a training accident murder with absolutely no evidence to further your belief that the government was some how involved in the bombing in Boston. That and your obsessive view that the world is controlled by a handful of Jews.

 

How do you know?

 

Jack I remember when Oliver North testified about his involvement in Afghanistan, (this was before 911), he said that Osama Bin Laden was the most evil man in the world, and that he sent two men to kill his wife, children and even his dog. I also noticed that the names of the men involved in killing Bin Laden were never revealed, and that their faces were not shown in photographs. They are not the only ones, I have seen faces covered in the photos of other officers who had to do with terrorism, so it's obvious they and their families are being protected from rataliation. If anything, the FBI men should have been protected as well, and that's where the U.S. govenrment failed. It's very frightening to think that whoever was behind the retaliation could do so so easily?

 

Actually this is not true. Oliver North never testified about Osama Bin Laden....it was Abu Nadal. As for a training accident for the hostage negotiators who had little to do with Boston, more fodder for a dumb conspiracy theory.

 

All I am saying is that while you cannot go gap filling, and passing that off as fact, neither can you, in this day + age, take ANYTHING the state tells you, at face value, or the MSM. It is true that there isn't a sub plot to everything, but to believe that there are no sub plots and conspiracies to anything, esp from a shower of proven liars, rich people that would happily sacrifice anyone on here, Jew or not, if it furthered their aims, is just naïve in the extreme.

Of course it could all just be one big coincidence, but it is more likely that it's not.

The feelings of the family cited have not been born out of nothing, why would they feel that way, for no reasons at all?

I have often wondered also, what the fatality rate was for certain 911 witnesses, so I decided to have at least a look at it..

I simply typed in the words 911 witnesses, and the search did the rest...

[video=youtube;bvay28lZiHU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvay28lZiHU&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

 

You're right, it was Abu Nadal that threatened Oliver North and his family...but it doesn't matter, I was just trying to point out that they do retaliate. If these FBI men didn't have anything to do with the Boston killing, then it probably was a training accident, after all how could terrorists manage to get into a training helicopter? Of course the possiblity exists that terrorists could have men everywhere, but that is unlikely. ..unless they're super competent like the Russian Foreign Intelligence or Mossad.

Anyway thanks for setting me straight.

 

How embarrassing it must be for you to post this linked propaganda website.

 

Not at all.

Name your top three media sources...

 

LOL I saw this thread just before turning in for the night and was too tired to reply. Not that I slept much anyway, silly thing, I forgot to put the rubbish out last night, it is so dark here at night that I dare not put it out too late I might get lost on my way back down the steps but I fretted all night that I might not wake in time ....such silly gooses we are sometimes eh?

Anyway back too assassins, I never really know what to make of these sorts of stories, surely we are talking about 'secret services' here, why would Govs tell us of their deaths? I don't think the British Gov tell us of the deaths of SAS or MI5-6 agents always do they? And if the do,they certianly don't tell us what they had been involved in during their careers

Nah, these sorts of stories, I just let them pass. Govs don't tell us things without a motive of some sort, it could simply be to stop us digging or too keep us 'conspiracists' busy and focused while they get on with dirty business as normal or even for those agents just to 'disappear', I dunno

I do know of someone who was probably assassinated to shut him up, his death was highly suspicious but logged as natural, they would not release his body, and I cannot even begin to tell you the hell his family have and still are going through. That was in the USA though he was not American.

Only to say, real assassinations are usually sordid affairs and not as clean cut as these 'stories' seem to be.

 

I think the whole point is, Jeannette, that it was a 'home goal' not that out side forces killed them but their own. to silence them.

Anyway as I said to Abu, I don't know, nor care that much either.

 

I am more ready to believe the government than I am the Nazis who concoct these idiotic conspiracy theories to stir up the shrieking monkeys in preparation for the RaHoWa.

Being a SEAL or an FBI operative is dangerous in the best of times. (*)(*)(*)(*) happens. Live with it.

Because they are stupid idologues.

So? Ever hear of "survivor's guilt" or "PTSD?"The suicide rate among 9/11 survivors is not really remarkable.

 

that's their biggest problem

they could be the ones flying it

The Israeli terrorists who stole Europeans identities to murder in Dubai caught on camera


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and your government love people like you to obey and believe and do not question

 

I'm going to wait for an analysis by a person who understands statistics and numbers and all that other numerical mumbo-jumbo. Things like "coincidences" and the like.

 

I really don't believe any of that - the article is quite poorly written and over assuming. It fails to mention the fact that a QRF team from SEAL Team 10 were killed in almost identical fashion to the operators from Team 6 when a Taliban fighter with an RPG fired a round through the open cargo ramp of their Chinook, igniting the aircraft's fuel tanks back in 2005. It also states that the SEALS from the same team as the Bin Laden raiders were killed while flying in a Vietnam-era Chinook rather than their regular aircraft. That is also a horrendous statement. SEALS fly most often in Chinooks and Blackhawks (both aircraft used in the Bin Laden raid). Even if it wasn't a special forces standard MH-47, that wouldn't have made a difference. All Chinooks in US military service have been heavily updated over the last few years and are very capable, though the aircraft presents a large target. The choice between an MH47 and a CH47 would not have mattered in this case. I just cannot buy coverups from sources like this. More than likely, the FBI guys were involved in a tragic accident.

 

True but in the land of conspiracy nuts, every death is at the hand of Mossad. They are like super villains that comb the globe killing without anyone knowing about it. They are everywhere and since you posted this you must be Mossad.

 

Tedious.