All Things Wrong In The USA Today...The American Dream

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  1. OldManOnFire

    OldManOnFire Well-Known Member

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    Does anyone remember long ago in a faraway place Americans proclaimed 'I'm going to work hard, create a good life for my family, give my kids more than I had, and leave the world a better place than when I started'?

    When these goals were proclaimed, it didn't make any difference if a person was a janitor or mechanic or welder or assembly worker or white-collar worker. The only thing that mattered was work hard, be careful with your money, make sure your kids have opportunities, and respect the world in which we live.

    So how are we doing after about 50/60 years?

    My abbreviated answer would be most of us have become religiously and politically polarized, we care only about the moment, we demand instant gratification, we demand far more government than we are willing to fund, we continue unnecessary wars, while being self-absorbed and wondering 'what's in it for me?'.

    IMO the once revered American Dream was exactly what many Americans proclaimed 50/60 years ago...those words in BOLD above.

    What do you think?
     
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    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

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    America's decline started with the Left's social revolution in the 1960's. There's your start of religious and political polarization.
     
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    the main cause and affect where the college professors and there liberal influance on the students in class rooms. and the FEMINIST MOVEMENT remember room 222 [video=youtube;5lUBKdD271M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lUBKdD271M[/video]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterculture_of_the_1960s
     
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    trucker Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    oh come on just a little history here the center infiltration for the NWO was liberal point team communist college UC Berkeley
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_University_of_California,_Berkeley
     
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    DonGlock26 New Member Past Donor

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    The effect of Cultural Marxism ala the Frankfurt school.

    Most progressives have no idea that they have been indoctrinated by German Neo-Marxists from long ago.
     
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    yeah that's it. it was the women & the hippy's fault. how's that ideology working for the Right today? [oops] :steamed:
     
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    I am pretty sure the predatory practices of big businesses to maximize profit at the expense of people had an equally strong influence on our current situation as well.
     
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    the women movement of the 1960s was for the purpose for corporations to dig into a cheap labor force, and to take away male dominance of the family structure thus having women have more purchasing power to buy
    more goods on credit, thus the bankers won to
     
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    The American Dream isn't dead, it's sleeping, but if it doesn't wake soon it will be in a comma.
     
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    Well, I suppose it's possible.

    However, it is my understanding that when we went to war, many women HAD to go to work to support their families. Afterward, they may not have wanted to stop working and go back to being housewives.

    I can blame businesses for many shady practices, but this one is pretty hard for me to swallow.
     
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    The most vile predators on the plant are working in DC. Sure, big business has it's wonks, but face it, DC is their second home.
     
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    Very true. So how about we get rid of both big business AND big government?

    I don't see either side willing to do that. It's always about getting rid of the other side and not their own.
     
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    Instead of blaming everything on politics, maybe there are other reasons to explain our cultural evolution? What percentage of workers today arrive at work on time with a goal of giving a full eight hours of productive employment? What percentage of workers steal and/or cheat their employers? What percentage of people remain married or in devoted long-term relationships? What percentage of people place the family as a priority over all the other crap we waste our time and money on? What percentage of people care more about their kids opportunities and potential more than their own issues? What percentage of people have an awareness and involvement to reduce littering, refuse, burning of fossil fuels, elimination of toxic materials, etc. from society?

    I can't really see how to answer all of these questions, and others, with the Left's social revolution in the 60's?

    I hear and read so many complaining today but I can't help but wonder if these same people are expecting far more than they are willing to invest?
     
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    How can business maximize profit without people? No people are expended in the process of creating products and services and generating income and profits and paying taxes. Do you think all trillion businesses in the USA have some conspiracy going in which they will expend people while creating huge profits? Lastly, people are consumers and consumers decide the fate of all businesses. If consumers don't like a business, then that business is doomed to failure. Conversely, if consumers like a business, then that business will see success...including maximum profits...
     
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    How can we possibly reverse a process in which people demand far more than they are willing to invest? We want more pay, more benefits, but don't offer more work. We demand government to spend more but we are unwilling to fund the government we demand. None of this is sustainable...

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    Stop consuming from big business you hate and stop re-electing the same idiots to government...this is 100% in your hands...
     
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    The American Dream is the dream of political conservatives.
     
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    It's bigger than that. It's cultural change enacted politically.
     
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    Wow! The above post along with the couple you posted above prove there is still some common sense left in this Nation, BRAVO!
     
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    The one man who had it right, but America didn't listen to him. He knew what happened to the American dream. People still don't realize what happened.and aren't listening today.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgx1C_S6ls
     
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    And cancelling the Andy Griffith show........big influence right there
     
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    Big business didn't do anything our government didn't let them do. It was our own government that opened the door and asked business to walk through it. We are about to make another stupid move with illegals. Government has been our biggest enemy.
     
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    Yes, it's always the liberals at fault, isn't it?

    Why then, with over thirty years of the nation practicing the conservatives' and neo-conservatives' preferred style of supply side capitalism, is the country not booming?

    The several financial bubbles created during the conservatives' economic reign cannot be blamed on the liberalsÂ’ social programs. Neither can the fraudulent and predatory lending practices that have taken so many homes from middle class owners that were NOT behind in their payments.

    The go to answer for the conservatives and neo-conservatives concerning all the woes of the U.S., is to blame anyone that doesn't toe the line of the right wing agenda. For example, the liberals, the poor, the elderly, the disabled, disabled veterans, children living at or below the poverty level, unions, teachers, minorities, single mothers, non-Christians, the homeless, the unemployed, the underemployed, and many more.

    To conservatives and neo-conservatives the only blameless parties in this country are themselves, Big Business, and the super rich.

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    Whose lobbyists convinced government officials to open the doors you speak of?
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Dream

    The American Dream is not a private membership solely for conservatives? Tens of millions of people have achieved their American Dream and they are people of all stripes and colors...
     
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    In all of my life, in all of my endeavors, no matter where I lived, worked and played, never once has government or politics controlled my life. In fact I hate politics so much I ignore the concept as if it doesn't exist. I have public education, and private education, worked as an employee, and have my own business, and never once has government or politics decided my path. SO...am I simply lucky or is all of this crap about politics and culture, etc. just the excuse de jour for people failing...

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    Common sense is pretty easy...as long as you agree with MY common sense...
     
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    Where I live and work...we love Hispanics and even the illegals. All of them assimilated into society just fine, are great workers, and help drive the economy. The mono-culture ideal is crap...
     

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