AP Fact Check: Truth About Obama’s Health Insurance Rebate Claims

Selective reporting on those people in high risk pools and people who are now going to have their insurance heavily subsidized....

The rest of us (majority) that WORK and pay our own way, are in for the A$$ RAPE of the century.

 

Most Republican states have a minimum wage at the fed rate which has a negative effect if those states expanding Medicaid. Democratic states all have decided to expand Medicaid except 3 states but a majority of them also pay a higher minimum wage so their population is reduced on how many of those people can qualify for Medicaid. It works for both parties to reduce medicaid participation enrollment.

Rates may be initially lower to entice people to sign up but they will go up after everyone is signed up. The ACA has done nothing to reduce rising cost of healthcare since it would have never passed in the first place without the support from the health insurance industry and the pharm companies whose goal is to keep raising cost.

 

That's not a very useful data point then is it?
You compare a family plan, which covers 3 or more people, with a single plan, and you don't even know the monthly premium, only your share.

 

Wow, I am sure that you got all that by being a union worker. Thanks for speaking up for unions.

 

Please tell us how bad it has been for you. Slowing the growth when we are still spending $2.7 trillion seems to be helpful to all of us.

 

So having less people eligible for Medicaid is a bad thing? You are saying that Republican states do not care about all their citizens so more of their citizens would be eligible for Medicaid. I am sure that those citizens would be happier if they were not eligible for Medicaid. But, to be honest, Republican states have had more citizens requiring federal benefits because they have not taken care of a group of their constituents. Most red states get more money from the federal government than they pay to te federal government. Te red states like the federal government paying for their citizens because they could look good to their base while costing the country more because of their policies.

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You are hoping that they will go up. For the good of the country, I hope that they do not.

Yes, it would not have passed without those industries' support. That is politics. I would have preferred Single Payer but it doesn't matter how it passed if the CBO and recent statistics show that it can work. We can stop pre-condition exclusion because insurers have a larger pool. More competition will lower prices, at least that iswhat the right says.

 

This is what I love most about the GOP. Everything is about to go screaming down the toilet for them and instead of coming up with solutions they whine incessantly about the only solutions that have been delivered, as imperfect as it is Obamacare is the future. Nearly everyone in this forum will be using it. There will be glitches, there will be some fraud, there will be some missteps-it is a large law and the GOP is fighting against it in every state hoping to derail it. more bad news for the GOP, you may have to turn your shorts around for this, Obamacare is the first step toward single payer. Enjoy.

 

Red states get more funding simply because there are more red then blue states. Those low wage earners definitely would prefer being able to enroll on Medicaid then the exchange since there is no out of pocket cost for Medicaid. The exchanges mostly have high deductible plan options. People with pre-existing conditions are not going to added to any pool since the way insurance companies view pools are as employers with many employees under one contract.

As it is right now the government insures the sickest and the most expensive of the population and they already started a pre-existing plan option for those people that have been denied healthcare in the past. I know I have a friend who is already enrolled in it who pays $400 a month in premiums because he had a heart problem in the past.

The ACA benefits the health insurance companies the most as it will increase profits. You only have to follow the stock market on what these vultures are making these days. The ACA will NOT get everyone insured since if you do not have a job, no income, you won't qualify for Medicaid or the exchanges. How many people do you think right now are unemployed?

 

As long as the insurance companies are funding politicians, we won';t see a single payer system.

 

In California in order for a single person with no kids to qualify for Medicaid they have to make less than $600 a month.

 

Which is under the $15,000 annual income limit.

 

You have misunderstood. More red states get more money from the federal government than the state pays to the government.

Those eligible for Medicaid will continue to have the federal government pay for their health care because the red state doesn't care. The blue states prefer seeing their citizens make enough money so that they do not have to go on Medicaid.

The insurers demanded that uninsured start paying into the system before accepting pre-existing conditions. Insurers are covering more than just employer plans.

What you do not understand is that people have to go broke before the government picks up the tab, putting more people on the government dole.

Yes, it does benefit the insurers and that is why I prefer Single Payer and eliminating the third party group who makes profits off of our illnesses. Their profits will be tempered by competition (at least, that is what the right says) and restrictions on administrative costs.

I hope that you know that Medicaid is being expanded to cover more people. A person with no job and no income will qualify for Medicaid.

 

Sorry but you are completely misinformed.

 

Yes, there are much more important things they can be working on.....like trying to make a National Park on the moon.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/309829-dems-propose-historical-park-on-the-moon

 

How is doing what the folk want wasting Congressional time? After all, what can they pass? Nothing until we get rid of the Regime and its ilk in the Senate...

 

The only way this scheme can/will save money is in slowing/stopping access to the point folk who now use doctors give up...

 

Your state 'is ready' like the Russian army was in summer 1941 for the Germans....There is a difference between happy talk and delivering actual health care. I expect you will find your 'readiness' will be simply a slightly slower roll to disaster than some other states and at a much higher taxpayer cost...

 

Anyone who has to use care next year will be surprised at the changes...The left clings to the idea the surprise will be pleasant but I fail to see how a healthy 25 year old will be thrilled to discover he now has to pay a massive health care tax (in the form of a vast premium) so as to provide free stuff to other folk...I suspect a lot of those folk who bought into the free healthcare for all lie will be horrified to find 'free' is not in fact 'free'

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in the real world that 'system' is actually a rat hole....Republicans see no reason to prolong the agony with more of other folks cash...

 

Sorry but I will not except your comment. Tell me where I am misinformed? Your comment is a copout. You can redeem yourself by being more specific.

 

What the public wants are jobs, better wages and better education. Only the House is wasting time on other things. Passing laws that will go nowhere. They can't even go to conference on the budget that they say is so important.

Wishful thinking is also a waste of time.

 

Do you have a report showing that slowing/stopping access to the point that folks give up. I have a CBO report that differs with your opinion.

 

Do you have a report showing that. Does the right think that a political forum is only about opinions? I think that it is about facts AND opinions but I really have seen no facts from the right.

Opinion. Maybe if we had to but "Fact" or "Opinion" before each sentence, the right might understand what they are doing.

 

One from Canada in which the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court noted that 'Access to a waiting list is not access to health care'...mas o menos

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The list of media stories on the issue is very long indeed...we will all see who is right by about this time next year.

 

Opinion

Opinion

Opinion. See, how easy this is. It will save many of us time if everything is an opinion.

 

Please give me a link to a report. I suspect that a caring Chief Justice was concerned about waiting lists and wanted them to be reduced. And guess what the Canadians governments are finding ways to do this. Canadians care about each other (I think that it is the culture but it also could be because they all have the same plan). The right has to be careful in using Canadian quotes. They really cannot grasp the different culture.

Too bad that you read only the stories from the right and can't want to opine on something that hasn't happened.

Here is a clue: Remember all the predictions by the right that Romney would win in a land slide.