NSA Audit: NSA violated own privacy proceedures thousands of times per year.

Throughout this debate, people have asked for evidence of abuse... after painstakingly denying the various programs, what they collected or how... this seemed to be where everyone landed. The 4 page post story details abuse, coverup, non-cooperation with the FISA court, which had to learn about a program in use for months before ruling it unconstitutional...

So... here is that.

 

Of course, anyone with a brain knew this to be the case anyway. The bottom line is that is given a chance to abuse power most in government will do just that.

 

It should also be noted that this comes on the heels of another Guardian disclosure last week that there is a loophole the NSA exploits to gain and use personal information from emails and phone calls of Amerian's communications, without a warrant.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/09/nsa-loophole-warrantless-searches-email-calls

What they are allowed to do is way too broad. What they aren't, they don't much seem to care that greatly about... retaining data the FISC demanded they destroy... etc.

You must keep in mind that these collection mistakes and abuses do not collect one record per incident... these thousands of violations represent hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of individual captures and use of information they are prohibited for doing... by their own policies and authority.

 

I'm shocked!....Well, not really. Any thinking person knew once Bush got the "Patriot Act" and TSA our individual privacy and freedoms would be severally compromised despite the appeasing rhetoric of political class. Power begets power and if you feed the beast it will continue to expand. It's simply human nature. The question is, will anyone who can, put an end to it? Doubtful, but you never know. If anything, those in power will probably wrap some rhetorical cloak of outrage around it, pass some meaningless law they have no intension of enforcing and the public will fall asleep again and the beast will continue to grow.

 

WE MUST GIVE UP OUR RIGHT TO PRIVACY TO PROTECT OUR FREEDOMS!!!

Hold on a second…

 

It is also funny that Wyden asked the NSA IG to give a ballpark figure on how many Americans data the NSA has collected and searched... and the reply from the NSA was "Telling you would violate their (Americans spied on) privacy.

 

And so here we go again. It's a matter of technology. If it can be done, it will be done. The only effective defense Americans have against being spied on is to be inconspicuous.

Uh huh. No wonder the court rejected only 11 requests out of over 30,000. They weren't even told what the request was for or how it would be done anyway, court decision or not. And this even though the court itself is secret! If the technology is there, no amount of rules and laws and courts and procedures will have the slightest effect, except to tell the spies which information to withhold from whom.

 

Didn't the House answer this question last month?

Ending this will need to be done on the lowest level, with individuals willing to forfeit EVERYTHING to further the cause.

 

Oh and BTW can they stop using creepy illuminati symbols? I have nothing to argue against the nutty New World Order people.

 

Which is what we've been pointing out about Obama supporters from Day One.

 

Yeah, because it's just them. Righto.

 

No one said it was "just them". If absolutes in everything is needed, then why bother even responding ? This NSA abuse, and Obama's statements to the contrary, does further illustrate that Obama's supporters are primarily low information voters.

 

bad image,sorry

 

Partially, yes, and the answer sucked.

Unless there are major changes at the top, which is highly unlikely given the current state of affairs, you're probably correct. It sucks, but.....

 

The federal government is full of rouge agencies that operate completely independently of any constitutional or ethical restraints. In essence, they are a glorified criminal enterprise that exists solely to steal trillions of dollars worth of private wealth on behalf of the political class and their corporate allies. Without exception, centralized government monopolies, whether they're monarchs, soviets, nazis, or feds, will succumb the corrupting influence of concentrated power. The time to reject the statist paradigm of old is long overdue. Americans everywhere must demand a constitutional amendment that dissolves the federal government before it does anymore damage to our economy and our sacred liberties.

END THE FEDS

 

And now we have the evidence. These are serious problems and need to be fixed. More oversight by people outside of NSA is needed. More transparency authority should be given to the Congressional people in charge of oversight and people within NSA should be punished for withholding important documents.

We need to fix the problems but not throw the baby out with the bath water.

 

Guess I need to take you off my ignore list. Thank you for a well reasoned position.

I agree. I WANT the NSA spying on bad guys, and corrupt governments. I want them to have the tools to do that. But they are not going to give up the keys to THIS without a corrupt fight. They have been gearing toward this for decades... and they are among the smartest people in the world. It is going to be extremely problematic putting this dog back on a leash.

 

There is always Article V of the US Constitution.

 

http://www.humanevents.com/2013/08/16/mark-levins-liberty-amendments/
"Radio host Mark Levin’s new book, The Liberty Amendments: Restoring the American Republic, is one of the most focused, accessible, and aggressive political books you’ll ever find. Levin’s thesis is that the balance of power between the three branches of the federal government, the states, and the American people has been distorted beyond the ability of conventional politics to repair. After all, if the power of the legislature has been diminished relative to the executive, the executive has dispersed its disproportionate power into unelected bureaucracies, and the states are increasingly powerless vassals of Washington, then there is no way for the peoples’ representatives in Congress or state houses to draft laws that would correct the situation."

 

So you expected Obama voters to have info no one had? Odd. Until Snowden leaked the info no one knew. And it all started under W with the "Patriot Act". The day that passed the rest was written in stone. This actually has nothing to do with Obama voters. You can bet your ass it would be the same or worse under McCain or Romney. Especially McCain. That's what partisans don't get. There is no substantive difference between the two parties when it comes to ruling. The fact people see some difference is just the kool aid talking.

 

Yea, more government will solve the problem of government abuse. Good idea!

I've heard him discussing that and I think he is on the right track. This country needs to come together and reclaim power from Washington DC via the Amendment process. What the Amendments entail, we cannot say for sure, but the process itself is healthy for democracy and law, so it behooves us to start the conversation. So count me in! How about you?

 

Do most of Obama's supporters still support him today ? Polls say "Yes". So WTF are you talking about ? Obama went on TV with his Press Conference earlier this week and said that this is not happening ! But it is !! Where's the outrage from his supporters ? Except that most are OK with it !!!

We don't know WTF it would be under McCain or Romney. I don't give two (*)(*)(*)(*)s about your strawman arguments, except to note that you needing them indicates a lack of support for whatever it is you allege based on the facts at hand.

 

Actually, just to inject facts here, according to polls most Americans are fine with it. That would clearly include non-Obama supporters. Hell, the GOP invented the whole trading freedom for security thing. It was W's trademark. Obama picked it up and ran with it.

Who do you mean by "we"? Because lots of us know full well. And you do too. But the kool aid can be powerful.

 

I am all in.

Each of us need to work with our state legislatures to educate and then pressure them into demanding a convention. It is the right thing to do. The nice part is that it is in the states' interests to do so whether one is in a liberal state or a conservative state.

 

Who knew that when President Obama promised transparency, he meant our private lives would be the most transparent under his regime?