From the Ugarit to the Bible

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    Ail is Hebrew..

    In Gen. 33:20, it is testified, that Jacob erected an altar, and called it Ail Elohai Yisraail, rendered in the margin of the English Bible, God, God of Israel
     
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    Marginal notes are not a part of the text. Those notes are private interpretations which the scripture does not allow.
     
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    KJV Psalm 82:6
    "Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High."

    "John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"

    "Gen 33:20 And he erected there an altar, and called it Elelohe-Israel. "

    Tsk Tsk The name "Ail" is not mentioned in that scripture you cited.

    The KJV is also an English Bible.
     
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    You read the Bible in Hebrew?
     
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    Yahweh

    Yahweh (or Jehovah) means literally, "He who will be", and occurs 6,829 times in the Old Testament. Its contraction Yah occurs 49 times. Yahweh was revealed to Moses as God's new and memorial name, as recorded in Exodus 6:3, which reads, "I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty (Ail Shaddai), but by my name Jehovah (Yahweh) was I not known to them". The difference between Ail Shaddai and Yahweh is that whereas the former only denoted past and present, the latter is prophetical, and therefore full of meaning concerning God's purpose and plan of salvation

    Ail

    The Hebrew word "Ail", many times rendered by the word "God" (and frequently combined with the word Shaddai, and then rendered "God Almighty"), occurs about 250 times in the Scriptures.
    No less than 12 English words have been used by the translators in the Authorised Version as its equivalent; namely, "God", "goodly", "great", "idols", "Immanuel", "mighty", "mighty one", "power", "strength", "Bethel", "El Bethel", "El-elohe".

    http://www.bibletopics.com/biblestudy/61.htm
     
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    "Exd 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."

    No such word as "Ail" mentioned in the KJV...... NOT AT ALL.

    As I have stated numerous times in the past... the Bible has undergone many translations... which one is correct? BTWs: "Ail" is not an exact translation of the Hebrew, because the Hebrew language as used in OT times had no vowels in its printed language. Try again.

     
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    Your bald assertion fails. you are wronger than a very wrong thing at a wrong convention.
     
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    Exodus 6:3
    "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, {Ail Shaddai} but by my new name Jehovah {Yahweh} was I not known to them."
     
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    Prove me wrong. It is as easy for you to make an assertion as you can that it is for me. Now where is your proof that I am "wrong" and that my assertion "fails"? Just because you say something, does not make that something a fact.
     
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    The King James version of the Bible is not the be all and end all of historical bible study.What Margot is relating here is factual information that you are dismissing out of hand. I think you should do some research into what the Bible is and who compiled it and what they put in and what they left out and what changes they made down the line.
     
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    In Gen. 14:22, Abram is made, by transcribers, to call the "Most High Ail" by the name Yahweh; though we are expressly told in Exodus 6:3, that Abraham did not know Him by that name. He knew Ail, and he knew Shad-dai; but with any superior or divine being of the name "Yahweh," he had no acquaintance.
     
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    Ail: the Hebrew word"Ail" rendered as the word "God" and frequently combined with the word Shaddai,
    thus meaning "God Almighty", occurs about 250 times in Scripture. It's primary meaning is "strength".

    Shaddai: the plural form of the Hebrew word Shad, derived from the root word Shadad, to be strong or powerful; therefore it means "mighty ones". It appears 48 times in the Bible and is rendered "Almighty".

    Elohim: Hebrew word translated "God" and appears about 2,600 times in Scripture. He is Creator and Sustainer off all that exists

    http://myhearthisword.blogspot.com/2011/06/hand-of-lordyahwehjehovah-ail.html
     
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    The Book and the Origins of a People.

    [video=youtube;6FUcgmMaNcc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6FUcgmMaNcc&list=PLE437F60B48B1C662[/video]
     
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    I'll add this bit to this thread as well:

    http://www.usbible.com/Bible/Exodus-Egypt.html

    Unlikely events are a mythologist’s prerogative. Moses survived by fortuitous circumstance; Jesus greatness was supposed to be known when he was born. That an Egyptian princess could get away with defying her father is incredible. That Moses young sister had access to the princess is incredible. That Moses’ mother, who at first couldn’t hide him, nursed him with Pharaoh’s knowledge and consent is incredible. The writer did not even know Pharaoh’s name and to this day, no Pharaoh can be matched to the events of the Exodus. The name of Moses is mentioned nowhere outside the Bible and Egyptian historical records do not confirm any mass exodus of slaves or mass death of first born. The evidence that Moses was largely a mythical character accumulates as the story of the Exodus unfolds.

    There is a parallel myth that preceded the Bible, and probably the source for Moses’ origin. Cuneiform texts say this about King Sargon of Akkad, about 2360 BCE.

    “I am Sargon, the powerful king, the king of Akkad. My mother was an Enitu priestees, I did not know any father . . . . My mother conceived me and bore me in secret. She put me in a little box made of reeds, sealing its lid with pitch. She put me in the river. . . . The river carried me away and brought me to Akki the drawer of water. Akki the drawer of water adopted me and brought me up as his son. . .”
     
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    Ask a Christian for "government records" to confirm the existence of Jesus or his parents and watch said Christian blanch.. or blush..

    Got a "government record" of the Exodus? Of Moses and Noah? :lol:
     
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    That's one area the KJV and many other bible translations fail - they take disparate terms and render them the same or otherwise meaningless, just as described ^ here ^. How many words, all told, get turned into "God"? It's ridiculous. Information is lost that way, which is just how the religious would like it to be..
     
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    Sure! The Bible. In 1983, the president of the united states gave credence to the Bible and its teachings. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_of_the_Bible

    The story of the Exodus is one of those teachings and it has been acknowledged by the President of the United States as well as the Congress of the United States. It is a government record.
     
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    The Hebrews were polytheists and had the same pantheon of gods as the Canaanites... with the number one God being Ail. That all changed with the Babylonian exile. Read Psalm 82.
     
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    The Exodus story is a myth about redemption.
     
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    Funny, because Jews read Hebrew and every pastor in every church learns to read Greek and Hebrew. If there was anything to this, Jews would know it, they're reading the original languages.
     

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