Of course transexuals are not real women.

I'm not thinking in relation to society, but that there's ought to be something 'wired' wrongly if they are a man yet doesn't feel like a man. And as always seems needed to clarify and emphasise: I'm not making any moral judgement.

How do you think about that?

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I wouldn't offer them surgery no, and I would probably adivse them against it, but they ought to be free to do it anyways.

 

There are plenty of things I detest but don't support government intervention on.

I think using crystal meth is a stupid thing to do, but I don't think it should be something people should be prosecuted for.

I think marrying your cousin is disgusting, but again, I don't believe the state should ban it.

It's exactly the same way that I think the KKK is full of ignorant racists, but I still support their freedom of speech.

That's the nature of living in a free society. Just because you personally disapprove of it, it doesn't justify getting the state to ban it.

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I would agree that it's confused.

 

I agree, but they would not be white or whatever race the surgeon tried to turn them into.

Would not matter if they believed it and others appeased it.

They would be an illusion of something, a facsimile.

 

I'm not going to entirely disagree with you, except for one thing -- what's being discussed is a treatment for whatever Transexuality is. I don't pretend to know. Never wanted to be a guy, so I don't think I'll ever get what this is like.

My thought is that like any other treatment, the goal should be to give the person the best life possible. A man convinced he's a dog, a baby or something, those lifestyles do not make for a productive member of society. Removing a limb likewise doesn't make a person a better member of society. Make a person who thinks they're a woman look like a woman, and they can likely go on to a reasonably normal life. I think that if nothing else could reasonably work (and I'm not entirely convinced on that score), then the goal should be to give as much of a normal life as possible. In other words do the best for what the patient actually needs -- and if for some patients the choice is between chopping off the naughty bits or having the person commit suicide, then I'd rather snip. Better than burying.

 

John Hopkins closed their sex reassignment clinic because they went back and examined the mental health of those who had been through sex reassignment surgery at their clinic, and found no difference in the mental health of those who had gone through the process

 

Make it a crime to do sex change mutilations. Sex changes sadly happen because science knows how to do it-sex changes are useless mutilations. Transexuals are mutilated homosexuals. Transexuality is a sad science waste-if a man thinks he is an animal trapped in a human body it would be bad for a Dr. to surgically alter his voice , train him to be animal and put a fake tail, horns, etc. Sex change maimings which is mutilating some1 to make them fake members of opposite sex is comparable to trying to make a man a fake animal such as a goat because he thinks he is an animal. Most feminists are not speaking against this. If 1 believes in women's rights, then it would be expected that 1 would be against trying to make a man a fake woman or a woman a fake man. 1 would hope that feminists would oppose the mutilation that happened to Chastity Bono. Transexuals are mutilations which no Dr. should take part in, yet most feminists are not condemning this female genital and breast mutilation as what happened to Chastity Bono where her healthy breasts were mutilated, dangerous hormone shots and her genitals mutilated.

 

This actually raises a good question..

As I suppose we can all agree on, science continually marches forward. Because of that, we will in the future be able to actually make humans into 'animals' (or rather give humans animal bodies) via operations. Should that be allowed? Personal liberty and freedom indeed, but the possibility of getting a dog/cat/monkey body in a safe and perhaps even cheap procedure is almost inevitable in the future. Are we to allow all that? How would a society handle all the complications that arise with the population no longer being 'human'?

And if we deem that to be unnacceptable, on what basis can one allow transexual surgery? Perhaps its ok as long as it's human to human.

interesting indeed.

 

"Of course transexuals are not real women."

the way I see it is they are feminine souls in a man's body

 

Making someone into an animal is nowhere near the same thing as transsexuality. There is actually evidence that a MTFs brain resembles a womans brain in many areas and vice versa for FTMs. There is no such thing as someone whos brain resembles an animals brain.

 

As I've said, it depends on what principle one bases it on. If it's about personal freedom, then people ought to be free to become animals too. My point wasn't to compare transsexualism to transanimalism (?), I just had some interesting thoughts. It's a philosophical question that needs discussing.

 

Which it isn't, because people are always dehumanized by such surgery, even more so than by whatever stresses induced them to believe they were born the wrong gender.

 

You obviously have an advanced understanding of the complexities found in human psychology and biological function...One is left to wonder if this is due to formal education or personal experience.

 

I was mostly responding to the part of your post where you asked if we deem that (making a human into an animal) to be unnacceptable, on what basis can one allow transexual surgery. Sorry for not making that clear.

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Huh? How?