How the far-right took top posts in Ukraine

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    How the far-right took top posts in Ukraine's power vacuum - Channel 4 News

    In the new Ukrainian government politicians linked to the far-right have taken posts from deputy prime minister to head of defence. We profile the nationalists filling the power vacuum.

    The man facing down Putin's aggression as secretary of the Ukrainian National Security and Defence Council is Andriy Parubiy. He oversees national security for the nation having previously served as security commandant during the anti-government protests in Kiev.

    Parubiy was the founder of the Social National Party of Ukraine, a fascist party styled on Hitler's Nazis, with membership restricted to ethnic Ukrainians.
    The Social National Party would go on to become Svoboda, the far-right nationalist party whose leader Oleh Tyahnybok was one of the three most high profile leaders of the Euromaidan protests - negotiating directly with the Yanukovych regime.

    Overseeing the armed forces alongside Parubiy as the Deputy Secretary of National Security is Dmytro Yarosh, the leader of the Right Sector - a group of hardline nationalist streetfighters, who previously boasted they were ready for armed struggle to free Ukraine.

    The new Deputy Prime Minister Oleksandr Sych is a member of the far-right Svoboda party, which the World Jewish Congress called on the EU to consider banning last year along with Greece's Golden Dawn. The party, which has long called for a "national revolution" in Ukraine, has endured a long march from relative obscurity in the early 90s. Their declaration that Ukraine is controlled by a "Muscovite-Jewish mafia" has raised fears for the safety of the country's Jewish population.

    Associate professor at Lund University Pers Anders Rudling, an expert on Ukrainian extremists, told Channel 4 News that there are other ministers who are also closely in the orbit of Svoboda.

    "Two weeks ago I could never have predicted this. A neo-fascist party like Svoboda getting the deputy prime minister position is news in its own right.

    "There are seven ministers with links to the extreme right now. It began with Svoboda getting 10 per cent of the vote in the last election, it is certainly a concern in the long run."

    Mr Rudling warned that Europe should pay greater attention to the politics of the new regime, while warning that this in no way endorsed the actions of Russia.


    The most important office seized by Svoboda is that of deputy prime minister, now occupied by Oleksandr Sych, whose position on abortion rights and comments about rape provoked an international outcry. He has been criticised for declaring: "Women should lead the kind of lifestyle to avoid the risk of rape, including one from drinking alcohol and being in controversial company".

    Smaller far-right groups from Scandanavia have confirmed they have been travelling to the region to offer support and learn from the "national revolution".
     
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    Now from The Guardian:

    The clash in Crimea is the fruit of western expansion | Seumas Milne | Comment is free | The Guardian

    The president had by then lost political authority, but his overnight impeachment was certainly constitutionally dubious. In his place a government of oligarchs, neoliberal Orange Revolution retreads and neofascists has been installed, one of whose first acts was to try and remove the official status of Russian, spoken by a majority in parts of the south and east, as moves were made to ban the Communist party, which won 13% of the vote at the last election.

    It has been claimed that the role of fascists in the demonstrations has been exaggerated by Russian propaganda to justify Vladimir Putin's manoeuvres in Crimea. The reality is alarming enough to need no exaggeration. Activists report that the far right made up around a third of the protesters, but they were decisive in armed confrontations with the police.

    Fascist gangs now patrol the streets. But they are also in Kiev's corridors of power. The far right Svoboda party, whose leader has denounced the "criminal activities" of "organised Jewry" and which was condemned by the European parliament for its "racist and antisemitic views", has five ministerial posts in the new government, including deputy prime minister and prosecutor general. The leader of the even more extreme Right Sector, at the heart of the street violence, is now Ukraine's deputy national security chief.
    Neo-Nazis in office is a first in post-war Europe. But this is the unelected government now backed by the US and EU.
     
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    I reported this a few days ago:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=345573&p=1063662282#post1063662282

    More fascist appointments to the Kiev govt:

    “Svoboda Party members have temporarily been appointed to the posts of Vice Prime Minister, Minister of Education, Minister of Agrarian Policy and Food Supplies, and Minister of Ecology and Natural Resources.”

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/...kraine-revolt/

    http://un.ua/eng/article/494729.html

    The reality is, there is a history of us being comfortable with, and being sympathetic to, fascist elements doing our bidding.
     
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    This may elaborate a perspective against the Right.



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    The fascist danger in Ukraine

    6 March 2014

    A politically sinister propaganda offensive is underway in the media to either deny the involvement of fascists in the US-backed coup in Ukraine or present their role as a marginal and insignificant detail.

    The New York Times, for example, asserted, “Putin’s claim of an immediate threat to Ukrainian Russians is empty,” while Britain’s Guardian dismissed as a “fancy” claims that events in Crimea were an attempt to “prevent attacks by bands of revolutionary fascists,” adding that “the world’s media has [not] yet seen or heard from” such forces.

    This is an obscene cover-up.

    The reality is that, for the first time since 1945, an avowedly anti-Semitic, pro-Nazi party controls key levers of state power in a European capital, courtesy of US and European imperialism. The unelected Ukrainian government, headed by US appointee Arseniy Yatsenyuk, includes no fewer than six ministers from the fascist Svoboda party.

    Less than a year ago, the World Jewish Congress called for Svoboda to be banned. But the party’s founder and leader, Oleh Tyahnybok, who has spoken repeatedly of his determination to crush the “Russkie-Yid mafia that controls Ukraine,” was feted by US and European Union officials as they prepared last month’s coup.

    Following the 2010 conviction of John Demjanjuk as an accomplice in the murder of nearly 30,000 people in the Nazi concentration camp at Sobibor, Tyahnybok called him a hero. Tyahnybok’s deputy, Yuriy Mykhalchyshyn, founded a think tank called the Joseph Goebbels Political Research Center.

    Svoboda was the major political force in the Maidan protests that overthrew Ukrainian president Viktor Yanukovych. In return for providing the shock troops for the coup, it has been given control of vital ministries.

    Svoboda co-founder Andriy Parubiy acted as “security commandant” in the protests, directing attacks by the Right Sector—an alliance of fascists and extreme right-wing nationalists, including the paramilitary Ukrainian National Assembly-Ukrainian National Self Defense (UNA-UNSO). Dressed in uniforms modelled on Hitler’s Waffen SS, its members boast of fighting Russia in Chechnya, Georgia and Afghanistan.

    Parubiy is now secretary of the National Security and Defence Council, overseeing the Defence Ministry and the armed forces. Dmytro Yarosh, leader of the Right Sector, is his deputy.

    Deputy Prime Minister Oleksandr Sych is another leading Svoboda figure, as is Oleh Makhnitsky (prosecutor-general), Serhiy Kvit (Education Minstry), Andriy Makhnyk (Ecology Ministry) and Ihor Shvaiko (Agriculture Ministry).

    Others reportedly connected to UNA-UNSO are Dmytro Bulatov (youth and sports minister) and the “activist” journalist Tetyana Chernovol, who was named chair of the government’s anti-corruption committee.

    The hero of Svoboda and UNA-UNSO is the Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera, leader of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (OUN), which aided the Nazis in horrific massacres of the Jewish population.

    In 2010, Svoboda’s official forum posted a statement reading: “To create a truly Ukrainian Ukraine in the cities of the East and South…we will need to cancel parliamentarism, ban all political parties, nationalise the entire industry, all media, prohibit the importation of any literature to Ukraine from Russia...completely replace the leaders of the civil service, education management, military (especially in the East), physically liquidate all Russian-speaking intellectuals and all Ukrainophobes (fast, without a trial shot. Registering Ukrainophobes can be done here by any member of Svoboda), execute all members of the anti-Ukrainian political parties....”

    One of the first acts of the new government was to abolish minority rights for Russian-speakers. Moves are also afoot to overturn the law that bans “excusing the crimes of fascism.”

    In recent days, representatives of the Right Sector have been busy attacking Jews, Russian Orthodox Christians and legal figures. Two YouTube videos show a Right Sector leader Aleksandr Muzychko—who described his credo as fighting “communists, Jews and Russians for as long as blood flows in my veins”—physically attacking a regional prosecutor in Rovno and forcing Rovno regional parliament members to hold a session at gunpoint after he brandished a Kalashnikov, demanding, “Who wants to take away my machine-gun? Who wants to take away my gun? Who wants to take away my knives? I dare you!”

    The US and European bourgeoisie, along with their media lackeys, are well aware of these facts.

    Their attempts to portray the extreme right as a marginalised minority that has emerged almost overnight are equally bogus. There are numerous academic documents that detail the role and significance of the extreme right in Ukraine stretching back decades. They also illustrate how, having first reared its head again in the wake of the dissolution of the Soviet Union and the restoration of capitalism, the far right has risen to prominence, its ascendancy prepared ideologically over many years. The rise of the far right accelerated markedly following the Western-orchestrated “Orange Revolution” in 2004.

    Per Anders Rudling (Organised Anti-Semitism in Contemporary Ukraine: Structure, Influence and Ideology, 2006), cites the critical role played by the Interregional Academy of Human Resources (MAUP), a private university founded in 1989 that “operates a well-connected political network that reaches the very top of the Ukrainian society.”

    In 2008, the US State Department listed MAUP as “one of the most persistent anti-Semitic institutions in Eastern Europe.” Rudling states that MAUP has “educated more government officials, diplomats and administrators than any other university” in Ukraine.

    MAUP’s speciality is churning out extreme-right propaganda disguised as academic research portraying Bolshevism and the October revolution as the creations of “international Jewry.” On this basis, it asserts that the crimes of the Stalinist dictatorship against the peoples of the Ukraine were part of the same “Jewish conspiracy.”

    In June 2005, participants at the Fourth World Wide Conference organised by MAUP included David Duke, former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, and the extreme nationalist and former Ukrainian ambassador to Canada, Levko Lukianenko.

    Lukianenko presented a paper that argued that the 1932-1933 famine, in which millions of Ukrainians died, was the work of a Jewish-run satanic government. Delegates at the conference called for the deportation of all Jews from the Ukraine.

    At the time, Lukianenko was allied with the two leading figures in the Orange Revolution, Viktor Yushchenko and Yulia Tymoshenko. The two were backed by Washington and the European powers as part of a campaign to secure the presidency of Ukraine against the pro-Russian incumbent Viktor Yanukovych.

    In January 2005, Yushchenko replaced Yanukovich as president. He was at the time on MAUP’s board of directors. Lukianenko was part of Tymoshenko’s electoral bloc. Only weeks before the June 2005 MAUP conference, Yushchenko made Lukianenko a “Hero of the Ukraine.”

    At the end of 2005, MAUP held a conference under the title “The Jewish-Bolshevik Revolution of 1917—the Source of the Red Terrorism and the Starvation of Ukraine.” Not for nothing does Rudling note, “In the wake of the Orange Revolution, Ukraine has witnessed a substantial growth in organised anti-Semitism.”

    So great was the stench of fascist reaction that, in July of that year, leading Ukrainian academics issued an appeal for the Orange leaders to disassociate themselves from the “xenophobic stance” of MAUP. “We would like to ask high government officials: at whose cost are these large-scale anti-Semitic campaigns being waged?” the appeal asked. “Do we not have a ‘fifth column’ that wishes to bring foreign ethno-political conflicts into our territory?”

    The objective of this fifth column was to poison the ideological climate with reaction, as aspiring oligarchs jostled for control of Ukraine’s resources and the imperialist powers pressed forward with their plans to dominate Ukraine in order to isolate and ultimately colonise Russia.

    This is the real record of the reactionary forces that the imperialist powers are aiding and abetting in Ukraine, and on whose behalf they are prepared to plunge Europe, and indeed, the entire world, into a Third World War.

    Julie Hyland
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    So, it's really just a fight between nationalist oligarchs and Russian oligarchs.

    No matter who wins, Ukraine is screwed.
     
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    Our media willfully ignores the makeup of this new "government" that the US is supporting. They are too busy making Putin out to be the new Hitler while the real neo-Nazis are in the new government!

    It's absurd and would be funny if this affair didn't have disaster written all over it.

    What's even more funny is the American that quit RT in a fit of conscience over Russia's 'propaganda'.

    LMFAO!!

    If this was a movie script, it would be rejected for being too stupid to be believable.

    You just can't make this crap up. Obumble does it again and the media happily plays along.
     
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    This is an interesting list of characters. I am surprised how easily these repulsive people gained full support of European democracies and President Obama. Idiots.
     
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    If true, this smells blood. Ukrainians will loose more territory in the end, because they will never gain enough support even in Kiev, leave alone eastern cities like Kharkov and Lugansk. Who will fight for them? EU?
     
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    Yes, Ukraine is certainly screwed. Better to allow Ukraine to be screwed instead of EU, USA and Russia.
     
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    I'm pretty sure this article is not accurate, first of all the telegraph reports that Parubiy is not even a member of Svodoba but rather a member of Tymoshenko's All Ukrainian Union Batkivshchina party which is neither Nazi nor Fascist:

    - National Security chief Andriy Parubiy

    A lawmaker in Tymoshenko's party, Mr Parubiy was the so-called "kommendant" or chief of the protest camp on Independence Square, keeping it together for three months.


    And here it states that the Deputy Prime Minister is not even Sych but rather Tarasyuk who again is a member of the AUU:

    Deputy Prime Minister (in charge of Euro integration) Borys Tarasyuk

    One of the most experienced figures on the new government, Mr Tarasyuk, 65, started his career as a diplomat in Soviet times. He served as foreign minister from 1988-2000 and again from 2005-2007. Strongly pro-EU, he spoke to demonstrators to denounce the idea of Ukraine joining a Kremlin backed Customs Union.


    And again the Minister of Defense is not Dmytro Yarosh it is Igor Tenyukh who is not even a politician but an Admiral in the Ukrainian Navy:

    - Defence Minister Igor Tenyukh

    Mr Tenyukh was Ukrainian Navy commander from 2006-2010. He was dismissed by Yanukovych in 2010 and fully supported the 2013-2014 uprising.


    Ukraine's new government: Who's who

    Here is a quick look at the cast of characters that now form Ukraine's government

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...0665800/Ukraines-new-government-Whos-who.html

    The article you posted screams of a misinformation campaign.
     
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    Nope that would be Borys Tarasyuk a member of the All Ukrainian Union Batkivshchina not Svoboda.

    Nope that would be Serhiy Kvit who is not a member of any political party.




    Nope that would be Mykola Prysyazhnyuk a member of the Party of Regions not Svodoba:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykola_Prysyazhnyuk


    Yes Andriy Mokhnyk is a member of Svodoba.
     
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    Whether the new leaders are nice guys or not can be put beside the point.. the fact is, the new government is illegitimate and therefore there is no reason to support it . Those in charge have no jurisdiction of a "sovereign state" to begin with.
     
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    Abject and unequivocable nonsense, read the damn Ukrainian Constitution:

    Article 111. The President of Ukraine may be removed from the office by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine in compliance with a procedure of impeachment if he commits treason or other crime.

    The issue of the removal of the President of Ukraine from the office in compliance with a procedure of impeachment shall be initiated by the majority of the constitutional membership of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.

    The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine shall establish a special ad hoc investigating commission, composed of special prosecutor and special investigators to conduct an investigation.

    The conclusions and proposals of the ad hoc investigating commission shall be considered at the meeting of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.

    On the ground of evidence, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine shall, by at least two-thirds of its constitutional membership, adopt a decision to bring charges against the President of Ukraine.

    The decision on the removal of the President of Ukraine from the office in compliance with the procedure of impeachment shall be adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by at least three-quarters of its constitutional membership upon a review of the case by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine, and receipt of its opinion on the observance of the constitutional procedure of investigation and consideration of the case of impeachment, and upon a receipt of the opinion of the Supreme Court of Ukraine to the effect that the acts, of which the President of Ukraine is accused, contain elements of treason or other crime.


    The current government is perfectly legal, legitimate, and Constitutional, Yanukovych was impeached for crimes against the Ukrainian people which he began perpetrating on November 30th 2013.
     
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    Yanukovych isn't the current president. I said the current government are not legitimate. What gave them their legitimacy? What procedure decided the new president? BTW any act of parliament after the government is occupied by armed extremists can be considered to be under duress anyway. In a violent coup de'tat, previous politicians that don't adopt the new status quo aren't always dealt with very nicely, so it would influence how they act once new thugs come to town and take over.
     
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    I know because he was impeached.

    You're wrong.

    Under the Ukrainian Constitution after the President is impeached they have 90 days to hold new elections and during the interim time the Chairperson of the Parliament is appointed as temporary Head of State and acting President until the new elections are held the acting president of the Ukraine is former Chairperson Turchinov. Through his authority as President he has the right to recommend appointments and dismiss ministers from their appointments which are then ratified through a majority vote of the duly elected Ukrainian Parliament.


    Regular elections of the President of Ukraine shall be held on the last Sunday of March of the fifth year of authority of the President of Ukraine. In case of an early termination of the authority of the President of Ukraine, elections of the President of Ukraine shall be held within ninety days from the day of termination of the authority.

    In the event of the pre-term termination of authority of the President of Ukraine in accordance with Articles 108, 109, 110 and 111 of this Constitution, the execution of duties of the President of Ukraine, for the period pending the elections and the assumption of office of the new President of Ukraine, shall be vested in the Chairperson of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. The Chairperson of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, for the period of executing the duties of the President of Ukraine, shall not exercise the powers envisaged by subparagraphs 2, 6-8, 10-13, 22, 24, 25, 27, and 28 of Article 106 of the Constitution of Ukraine.

    12) to give a consent to the appointment of the Prime Minister of Ukraine by the President of Ukraine;


    Article 112 of the Ukrainian Constitution.

    They were never occupied by anyone, the former President was guilty of crimes against the Ukrainian people when he initiated the the violence against peaceful protesters on November 30th 2013. Furthermore; a large plurality if not an outright majority of the Ukrainian citizenry supported his impeachment.


    Abject nonsense, an impeachment procedure through the duly elected Parliament in complete accordance with the Ukrainian Constitution is not a coup.

    Nobody took over anything you are talking about the duly elected majority of the Ukrainian Parliament who formed an opposition to impeach the President in support of the protesters whose skulls were being cracked in the streets.
     
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    Exactly, Woogs... It´s the truth. If the CIA and Berlin had not organized, funded and prepared this fascist coup against a legitimate government none of this matter would have happened.
    If Mississippi and the Confederate States had been supported by Europe ... Now there wouldn´t be american danger .. The U.S. is the greatest threat to world peace.

    Regards
     
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    Your pro-Western partisanship appears to be an excuse not only to apologize for an unelected government but also its overtly fascistic composition. It has been claimed that the role of fascists in the demonstrations has been exaggerated by Russian propaganda to justify Vladimir Putin's manoeuvres in Crimea. The reality is alarming enough to need no exaggeration:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/29/ukraine-fascists-oligarchs-eu-nato-expansion

    Activists report that the far right made up around a third of the protesters, but they were decisive in armed confrontations with the police.

    Fascist gangs now patrol the streets:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SBo0akeDMY

    But they are also in Kiev's corridors of power:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/28/ukraine-genuine-revolution-tackle-corruption

    The far right leader of Svoboda has denounced the "criminal activities" of "organised Jewry"

    http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/us-backing-neo-nazis-ukraine

    Moreover, the party which was condemned by the European parliament for its "racist and antisemitic views", has five ministerial posts in the new government, including deputy prime minister and prosecutor general. The leader of the even more extreme Right Sector, at the heart of the street violence, is now Ukraine's deputy national security chief:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/05/clash-crimea-western-expansion-ukraine-fascists

    Neo-Nazis in office is a first in post-war Europe. But this is the unelected government now backed by the US and EU. And in a contemptuous rebuff to the ordinary Ukrainians who protested against corruption and hoped for real change, the new administration has appointed two billionaire oligarchs – one who runs his business from Switzerland – to be the new governors of the eastern cities of Donetsk and Dnepropetrovsk.:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/05/clash-crimea-western-expansion-ukraine-fascists
     
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    What are you talking about? They were elected to Parliament and under the Ukrainian Constitution the Parliament has the right to impeach the President and in that case the Chairperson of Parliament becomes the President for up to 90 days which is the deadline for new elections and as the acting President he has the authority to recommend appointments which must then be ratified by the elected Parliament.

    Furthermore; you have done nothing to address the fact that these positions are not filled by the people which your article from counter punch claimed they were.

    Who are these activists? How did they come to that conclusion?

    The fascists were the most vocal components of the opposition but they are the fringe minority I have already provided you with the polling data which shows that a large plurality if not an outright majority of Ukrainians supported entrance into the EU and the ouster of the President for crimes against the protesters who until he sent in his fascist jack booted thugs were doing nothing but exercising their inalienable rights to peaceably assemble and petition their government for a redress of grievances.


    This is false, the Deputy Prime Minister is Borys Tarasyuk a member of the All Ukrainian Union Batkivshchina not Svoboda, the National Security Chief is Andriy Parubiy who again is a member of the All Ukrainian Union,

    Fascists in Parliament is absolutely not a first in post war Europe, it is not even a 2nd or 3rd. Furthermore; all deputies in the current government were in fact democratically elected.

    A) The government was elected in 2012, and once again under the Ukrainian Constitution the Parliament has the right to impeach the President and in that case the Chairperson of Parliament becomes the President for up to 90 days which is the deadline for new elections and as the acting President he has the authority to recommend appointments which must then be ratified by the elected Parliament.
     
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    That constitution didn't say anything about first driving the president out of his office with weapons and violence, then vote.. Looks like procedure wasn't followed.

    Again, the vote came AFTER he was driven out of his office. He was missing, presumably being tortured and executed somewhere.. Violence was breaking out all throughout Kiev, and many government buildings were forcefully occupied, despite YOUR "abject nonsense" that "They were never occupied by anyone" and they were occupied and taken over by ARMED (you need to understand the emphasis on that word) "protestors" radical extremists..

    The constitution you quote CLEARLY states parliament votes, THEN president leaves. You don't drive him out, take over, and then force the parliament to vote him out to legitimize it. Coup de'tats almost always feature token "votes" and such to try to legitimize an overthrow AFTER the fact.

    FIRST the president was ejected by force, then government buildings taken over, including the president's office, THEN parliament votes.

    Government leaders have a choice after their government is taken over.. If they don't accept the new status quo, with a smile, for all they know they can be tortured, killed, even have their families in danger. The president is gone, they could be next. They have no idea what these lunatic nazi thugs will do if they vote in favor of the president.

    The fact that the vote occurred only after the takeover means it is under duress. Even your own constitutional procedure proves you wrong, as the vote is meant to PRECEDE the president's removal.

    You would have a point if the parliament voted him out, and then he wouldn't leave, then they pulled him out of his office by force. But that's just not what happened. Why didn't they do that? How come it was only after the VIOLENT takeover they voted?

    Incidentally, and out of curiosity, is there something you like about these new guys in charge?
     
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    You've substantiated nothing and you are being disingenuous throughout. For someone who bangs on about democracy, you have a scant regard for it in reality.
     
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    Yes I did with the telegraph article, the men in the minister positions are not those who you claim.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...0665800/Ukraines-new-government-Whos-who.html

    What a load of nonsense, your laughable claims that this is an unelected government is a blatant lie, they were elected in 2012, quite frankly neither you nor your sources have a damn clue what they're talking about and are simply spouting the fascists Kremlin line. This is an elected government in complete accordance with the Ukrainian Constitution, if they fail to hold new elections within the Constitutionally mandated 90 days then you may have a point but until such time former Chairperson Turchinov is the Constitutional acting President of the Ukraine and former President Yanukovich was Constitutionally impeached for his crimes against the Ukrainian citizenship perpetrated on November 30th 2013, it is really quite despicable that you are so adamantly opposed to the Ukrainian peoples right to peaceably assemble and petition their government for a redress of grievances as well as Constitutional democratically elected governance and in such staunch support of authoritarian rule, the suppression of free speech with the use of violence by fascist jack booted thugs, and an illegal invasion by a brutal proto-fascist Authoritarian regime of a liberal Constitutional democracy.

    Article 111. The President of Ukraine may be removed from the office by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine in compliance with a procedure of impeachment if he commits treason or other crime.

    The issue of the removal of the President of Ukraine from the office in compliance with a procedure of impeachment shall be initiated by the majority of the constitutional membership of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.

    The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine shall establish a special ad hoc investigating commission, composed of special prosecutor and special investigators to conduct an investigation.

    The conclusions and proposals of the ad hoc investigating commission shall be considered at the meeting of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine.

    On the ground of evidence, the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine shall, by at least two-thirds of its constitutional membership, adopt a decision to bring charges against the President of Ukraine.

    The decision on the removal of the President of Ukraine from the office in compliance with the procedure of impeachment shall be adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine by at least three-quarters of its constitutional membership upon a review of the case by the Constitutional Court of Ukraine, and receipt of its opinion on the observance of the constitutional procedure of investigation and consideration of the case of impeachment, and upon a receipt of the opinion of the Supreme Court of Ukraine to the effect that the acts, of which the President of Ukraine is accused, contain elements of treason or other crime.

    Article 112

    In the event of the pre-term termination of authority of the President of Ukraine in accordance with Articles 108, 109, 110 and 111 of this Constitution, the execution of duties of the President of Ukraine, for the period pending the elections and the assumption of office of the new President of Ukraine, shall be vested in the Chairperson of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. The Chairperson of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, for the period of executing the duties of the President of Ukraine, shall not exercise the powers envisaged by subparagraphs 2, 6-8, 10-13, 22, 24, 25, 27, and 28 of Article 106 of the Constitution of Ukraine.

    Regular elections of the President of Ukraine shall be held on the last Sunday of March of the fifth year of authority of the President of Ukraine. In case of an early termination of the authority of the President of Ukraine, elections of the President of Ukraine shall be held within ninety days from the day of termination of the authority.

    One of the powers of the acting President is to make appointments which must be ratified by the duly elected Parliament:

    12) to give a consent to the appointment of the Prime Minister of Ukraine by the President of Ukraine;
     
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    The protests were peaceful until the fascist bastard sent in the jack booted thugs to crack skulls, he was impeached for crimes against the Ukrainian people in complete accordance with the Ukrainian Constitution, now I understand that you love authoritarian rule hence your support for those who violate the rights to peaceably assemble and petition the government for a redress of grievances and the invasion of a Constitutional democracy by an authoritarian proto-Fascist secret police state led by Stalinist KGB agent, but I on the other hand support Constitutional democracy and am opposed to over fascism and authoritarian rule.
    He wasn't driven out of office he left of his own accord to suckle at the tit of his puppet masters at the Kremlin who just so happened to recently invade the Ukraine, the man is not only guilty of crimes against the Ukrainian people but he has, also, just proven himself a treasonous stooge for the Russian invaders as well.


    They were only armed in self defense against the violence initiated by the treasonous fascist Yanukovich initiated on November 30th 2013 against peaceful protesters, your assertion that the parliament was forced to oust him is based on nothing.

    Your assertion that the parliament was forced to do anything is based on nothing, your assertion that the protesters (even the armed ones) were a match for the Ukrainian police and military is laughable on its face, furthermore, the assertion that the Constitution mandated that he be in Kiev for his impeachment is likewise based on nothing and is found nowhere in the Ukrainian Constitution.

    The violence was initiated by Yanukovich against peaceful protesters who responded in self defense, the duly elected Parliament voted for Yanukovich's ouster in complete accordance with the Ukrainian Constitution and the will of a large plurality if not an outright majority of the Ukrainian citizenry as demonstrated by the polling data that the majority of Ukrainian citizens supported the protests, entrance into the EU and his impeachment.
     
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    Oligarchs can lead the fight, but the result is one and this is a civil war. USA and EU throw their money to see blood and they certainly will. I hope they will pay political price for that.
     
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    You cited the Telegraph, a right-wing rag, who have previously been taken to court and sued for lies and defamation, and I have cited the Guardian, among others. I know who I believe.

    The truth is, the democratically elected government in Mid-February 2014 (an election certified as 'free and fair' by all international observers) was violently ousted. As such, Yanukovych remains the only constitutionally legal representative of the Ukraininan State. The Kiev vote which claims to have deposed him was made by a rump of its 450 elected members (the remainder having fled to their Eastern constituencies in fear for their lives), acting outside its standing orders with no quorum and with those members who did vote doing so under threat of violence by armed men inside the parliament chamber - in other words under duress.

    In her notorious "f**k the EU" phone call leaked last month, the U.S official Victoria Nuland can be heard laying down the shape of a post-Yanukovych government – much of which was then turned into reality when he was overthrown after the escalation of violence a couple of weeks later:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26079957

    The president had by then lost political authority, but his overnight impeachment was certainly constitutionally dubious for the reasons explained above. In his place a government of oligarchs, neoliberal Orange Revolution retreads and neofascists has been installed:

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/04/who-governing-ukraine-olexander-turchynov

    One of the first acts of this newly installed puppet government was to try and remove the official status of Russian, spoken by a majority in parts of the south and east, as moves were made to ban the Communist party, which won 13% of the vote at the last election. Contrary to your BS claims and attempts at rewriting history, those currently in power have no democratic legitimacy whatsoever.
     

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