Information via FOIA from FBI incomplete and contradictaory

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  1. Stndown

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    The article below shows the continuing coverup of what actually occurred on 9/11, so say a Sarasota county Florida Judge. How can some claim that we know what happened on 9/11, when we clearly do not? Truth doesn't contradict itself, does it? Apparently, there are those that refuse to consider the massive holes in the official story, and simply cry foul and ridicule people who simply want to learn the truth. Why? The article here:
    http://www.911truth.org/saudis-sarasota-fbi/

    From that link:

    • Provided records with “apparent” and unexplained chronological “gaps.”

    • Presented to the court “located documents” that “seem incomplete.”

    • Submitted “summary documents” that “do in fact seem to contradict each other.”

    The FBI’s handling of requests for documents related to the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, which had links to locations and venues in Sarasota County, is unacceptable.

    We and anyone interested in knowing more of the truth about 9/11 are grateful that U.S. District Court Judge William Zloch has steadily sought to require the FBI to adequately search for, find and release to the court documents requested under the Freedom of Information Act.

    In contrast, it’s troubling that the nation’s top law-enforcement agency would not only be intransigent but would submit documents with gaps and contradictions to a federal court. The fact that the documents sought are relevant to one of the United States’ greatest domestic tragedies compounds the concerns.



    Explanations please?
     
  2. n0spam

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    This is a very good question, why indeed
    and what should we be doing about it?
    will the courts work for US, or maybe refuse to hear any case that is too hot to handle.?
     
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    Interesting.

    I look forward to seeing where he goes with this.
     
  4. Stndown

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    I imagine he'll encounter significant resistance but, we'll see.

    - - - Updated - - -

    The courts will work for whomever controls them monetarily, I'd imagine.
     
  5. l4zarus

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    The tin foil free source of the article:

    http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20140408/OPINION/304089997?tc=ar

    For those of us who don't want to give truther sites more hits.

    The rest of the original reads(bold mine):

    "Saudis in Sarasota

    The background:

    In September 2011, two independent reporters writing for BrowardBulldog.org reported that a family from Saudi Arabia, who lived in Sarasota County's prestigious Prestancia development prior to September 2001, had connections with individuals associated with terrorism.

    The report, reprinted three years ago by the Herald-Tribune, cited documents showing phone calls to the house were made by hijackers who trained in Venice to fly airplanes. The report also said the family was visited by people using a car licensed to Mohammed Atta -- who crashed the first plane into the World Trade Center on Sept. 11.

    The FBI subsequently said the family was not "related to any threat nor connected to the 9/11 plot."

    Yet neither the FBI nor anyone else has explained why the family, closely related to a prominent Saudi financier, abruptly left its Prestancia home two weeks before 9/11 -- leaving clothes in closets, food in the refrigerator and three cars in the driveway and garage.

    Given the involvement of Saudi terrorists in the attacks, and evidence of Saudi financial support for them, the public deserves more than contradictory and incomplete information from the FBI.

    The agency's credibility in this matter is not helped by the fact that its investigation of the family was not reported to Congress or mentioned in the independent 9/11 Commission report.

    A more thorough search

    In September and October 2011, the Broward Bulldog and reporter/editor Dan Christensen went to federal court to demand that the FBI release documents relevant to its investigation of the family. (Subsequently, Halifax Media Holdings, which includes the Herald-Tribune, and the Miami Herald filed "friend of the court" briefs in support of the plaintiffs.)

    Judge Zloch, a Reagan appointee, has repeatedly ruled that the FBI is not complying with the Freedom of Information Act. The "gaps and consistencies" in documents provided to the court "underscore the need for a more thorough search," Zloch wrote in an order issued Friday.

    The judge went to the trouble of identifying specific search functions for the FBI to perform -- citing the names, phrases and software to be used. Zloch gave the bureau deadlines, including one later this month, for conducting the additional search and submitting the relevant documents for his review.

    It's vital to note that it's not known publicly whether the Saudi family had any role leading up to the attacks. But we do know, according to the FBI, that the family had "many connections" with "individuals associated with the terrorist attacks." Yet, according to Zloch, the search conducted by the FBI "yielded no documentation" of the investigation.

    "This alone moves the court to believe a further search is necessary," Zloch wrote.

    The judge emphasized that the efficacy of the investigation is not the matter before his court. At this point, Zloch wrote, the focus is on whether the FBI has submitted the documents required by federal law.

    "Based on the limited information before it now," Zloch stated, "the court is unable to glean the whole truth."

    The same can be said, unfortunately, for the nation as it relates to many things that happened before and after 9/11."

    I find it ironic the 911 "truther" crowd is linking to an article criticizing the FBI conduct under federal law, something their End the Fed friends appear to want to do away with.
     
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    Start out with the ridicule, and continue from there?

    Are you emphasizing the 'required by law' part for a reason? The 'court is unable to glean the whole truth' is a mouthful then too, if you want to proceed that way. Cherry picking (I believe is the term I've heard used repeatedly). Inferences can be drawn all over the place. For instance, it can be inferred that only submitting what is 'required by law' is parsing and evasive.
     
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    Followup on the above link here:
    http://www.911truth.org/fbi-found-many-connections-sarasota-family-911/

    Seems documents and other information that the FBI "couldn't find" prior, is now becoming available. I guess they suddenly found what they said was missing? Strange because, I thought we had the complete story (but apparently not).
     
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    If all of the new information, or at least recently released information
    points to hijacked airliners used as weapons, they are still promoting
    the same old fraudulent cover-up of what really happened.
    I for one citizen, voter, taxpayer in this land, have a huge problem with that.
     
  9. LoneStrSt8

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    Too bad.

    You haven't proven a 'cover up'
     
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    It's rather obvious that the purveyors of this whole act have no intentions of coming forward with the truth at this point but, the more we, as a society keep pressing for it, the better the chance we'll have of getting at (at least some of) the truth. You would think that people would care about the truth but, apparently not. Strange culture for sure.
     
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    The obvious 'cover up' very well orchestrated, making proving anything difficult (but not impossible). There are many obvious details that stand out though.
     
  12. LoneStrSt8

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    It's rather obvious you're looking for something that isn't there
    And you don't know the meaning of truth...
     
  13. Stndown

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    When the truth is presented, I'll better be able to determine its meaning. Haven't gotten anywhere near that plateau though. Maybe someday?
     
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    ahh,'obvious details'....in your head,maybe.

    It's incomprehensible that in the computer age,something obviously so involved would remain a secret
     
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    If that supposition were true, we wouldn't have this whole NSA/spying/leaking controversy we have today and actually, there are enough details available for the common person to be able to research them if he or she chose to. Problem is that people are lazy, willfully ignorant, or simply too busy to find any time to look for themselves. That's SLOWLY changing though (thanks in part, to heroes like Mr. Snowden).

    The ''interference runners' are still hot and heavy though so, here we are, doing the circular argument thing in forums like this one.
     
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    A slippery slope fallacy. False equivalency. Just because the government is corrupt does not mean it perpetrated the 9/11 attacks. Besides, the one major flaw in the truther theory is that it would have to be a near flawless operation, involving thousands of people. Given how the government botched the Obamacare website, the exchanges and other aspects of that law, just how can you believe the government would have been capable of orchestrating a mass slaughter such as this?

    Government is incompetent, therefore it is incapable of pulling something like this off.
     
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    That's a false equivalency as well. You admit the 'corrupt' part, yet you excuse the the corruption away by that false equivalency. History shows the truth about what can be hidden, and what cannot. Eisenhower had to literally threaten factions of our the government with sending in the Army to (for instance) area 51 (that place that 'didn't exist') to ascertain what was going on there (before he gave his infamous 'warning' to the public about the 'industrial complex'). The Manhattan Project is yet another example. Drones 'didn't exist' a few years ago either and the people that knew that they did were supposed to be 'kooks'. They're quite capable of 'pulling off' something of this magnitude (and they have).
     
  18. Imperius

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    Well yes, I did say they were corrupt, but they are incompetent as well. If they can't build a website, what makes you think they can orchestrate an operation that kills 3,000 people? Think about it.
     
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    I have thought about it, and that argument makes no sense. It's one dimensional thinking, and it's very shallow.
     
  20. genericBob

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    one of the atomic bomb developers
    who was a super brain at physics
    could not fix a dripping tap.

    Different skill-sets.

    Go figure ......
     
  21. Imperius

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    Argumentum ad hominem. That in no way supports your claim.
     
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    I see. I appreciate your input.
     
  23. Imperius

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    That's it? Perhaps you would like to tell me how much you thought about my claim before referring to me as a "one dimensional" thinker.
     
  24. LoneStrSt8

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    Non sequitur
     
  25. l4zarus

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    Yes, it was so well orchestrated the "perps" forgot to shred any documentation that might be requested in a FOIA request.

    :blankstare:

    And, years later, after the rise of the "truth movement", you expect they still haven't shredded incriminating documentation? Not only that, you actually expect the same people who have control of the conspiracy to allow any incriminating documentation to be released to the public?
     

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