Will U.S.A. Finally Admit Defeat In Ukraine?

Don't be so naïve, why do you think there was all this hallabaloo about Ukraine? The E.U. didn't want Ukraine, it was being forced to take them in by the 'Empire of Chaos' so it could put its own naval base on the Crimea and kick out the Russians. The E.U. had nothing to gain and Ukraine would never have been able to become a full member of the E.U. and Russia knew this. Basically the 'Empire of Chaos' was trying to take over a nation which had historical ties to Russia by manipulating the anti Russian sentiments in parts of Western Ukraine. In other words it wanted the Bandera 'nationalists' to impose their will on the whole country for its own geo political reasons.

There are only two reasons why Nuland would have spent five billion to overtake the government, one was that our State Department and Obama's 'juvenile delinquent school of diplomacy' was totally ignorant of the situation in Ukraine, or it was a deliberate attempt to create chaos and civil war. I have to assume it was plain stupidity, otherwise the 'Empire of Chaos' would have foreseen Moscow's annexing of Crimea.

 

It's all Polish paranoia. They see themselves as being a lot more important than what they really are to Russia, and that's megalomania to me, so I have to wonder what their real intentions are? Russia is building up its bases in the north in order to protect it's oil and gas reserves in the North Sea. Now unless Poland, Lithuania, etc., have claims on those territorial waters, why would Russia give a damn about Poland or any other country unless they have a large percentage of Russian's living in area that borders Russia and who are being oppressed and living in poverty. Then I can see Vlad the Sad being concerned.

Anyway Russia's main concern is the threats in the Eastern Mediterranean, and they are not coming from Israel believe me...although Israel might be working in the background. The threats would be from the 'Sunnis' and the Muslim brotherhood and those who support them like Erdogan, as well as those who are anti Shia like Saudi Arabia, because of their expansionist ambitions towards a future Caliphate/Sultanate.

Uhhh! Sounds like you want a war between Russia and the U.S.? Are you sure you're not Turkish, Devotoglu does make a habit of causing animosities in and between countries for territorial gain? It doesn't sound German to me.

 

EU/Nato Same thing

 

this from someone who likes to pare down numbers about guns...................
Nope, they ain't one and the same

 

Likes to do what ? think you are confusing me with someone else.

NATO is a part of the reason for the Ukraine issue as explained earlier.

 

Blah (*)(*)(*)(*)edy blah, this was never about joining NATO it was about joining the EU and 'dems the facts, nothing in your laughable Kremlin Ministry of Propaganda inspired rant does anything to prove otherwise.

 

Not even close NATO is a military alliance established to promote collective self defense amongst its members through the condition that if one is attacked all are required to defend them militarily and the EU is supranational political and economic union which does not require member states to engage in collective military self defense. Furthermore; the member states of each are not the same either EG Ireland, Austria, Malta, Sweden, Finland, and Cyprus are members of the EU but not of NATO, Albania, Turkey, Norway, the US, Canada, and Iceland are members of NATO and not the EU.

 

So then what business is it of the USA? And what do we tell USA taxpayers?

 

Turkey can always close the Straight in the event of a NATO war with Russia regardless of Crimea, The only big advantage to the US is forcing the EU countries to buy expensive US LNG gas by imposing heavy sanctions on Russia. Ukraine is nothing more than bear bait.

 

...what can be avoided by windfarm energy. Simple as that.

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I am in favour with the De Gaulle conception of the EU. A defense and economical Union, without the UK (sorry) and less members, dominated by the french-german couple and an alternative to Nato - as a close partner to the US but not its annex.

Vive De Gaulle!

 

Putin has backed off military action, the Ukraine army is defeating terrorists in the east, a new pro-Western President was just elected.

looks like the USA is winning!!!!!!

 

We arent in the game. I root for the Dallas Cowboys to win. When they lose, I didnt lose, they did. Just as we wont lose anything here. Only the people of Ukraine have much to lose.

 

This is still the beginning. The fight is on...

 

Dear OP:

You can't win or lose a game you never played.

 

They were negotiating a trade agreement, not joining NATO.
Revealing that you accept, Russia dictating what Ukraine gets to do.

 

I was just going to comment something like ...

"this thread has been posted too early!"

 

I do not claim that membership in EU is membership in NATO. If you read between the lines, the issue in Ukraine has two facets, one is economic and the other is strategic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO#Membership_Action_Plan

As I stated earlier,

1) there is no way Russia is going to allow continued NATO expansion on its borders
2) Everyone who has knowledge of the situation knows this and has known it for a long time.

Yet, despite protestation from Russia on numerous occasions over NATO and US actions on Russia's borders that were felt to constitute a threat to détente, these protestations fell on deaf ears and the actions persisted.

Ukraine was the straw that broke the Camels back.

It is such a sham that you hear almost nothing from many world leaders that would be speaking up if it wasn't.

NATO and the US knew damn well they were poking the bear. Now when the bear rattles the cage they stand back in feigned surprise and say ... why is the bear rattling the cage.

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Refer to post 67 por favor

 

Yes actually you did.

Read your own (*)(*)(*)(*)ing links:

. Ukraine had expressed interest in receiving a MAP before June 2010, when it announced a policy change of not seeking NATO membership

 

The fact that you can not understand that NATO incursions against Russian influence was the real reason and this is synonymous/related with entrance into the EU in the mind of Putin not my fault.

Go get educated.