Gun Range Owner Establishes Muslim Free Zone

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  1. Hotdogr

    Hotdogr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe. Not many jidhads happening in Montana, and lord knows no self-detonating allah-martyr would dare venture into Detroit, particularly after dark because of all the left-wing militias there.. More likely it's the bang-up job our awesome commander in chief, and his brown shirts in the NSA are doing that's keeping us all safe.
     
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    False, the supreme court can only interpret the constitution as it is written. That doesn't mean the constitution wasn't changed unconstitutionally before that making the changes themselves invalid.

    And apparently, it doesn't matter what the constitution or the supreme court says because the federal government can simply override them at their whim.

    The supreme court has supported the IRS on the 1st amendment in regards to taxation.
     
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    Who gets to say how the constitution is written? You do realize that interpretation would not be necessary if we could all derive the meaning from the constitution 'as it is written'?

    Maybe you should read the hobby lobby decision finding payroll taxes unconstitutional when those taxes are applied to goods or services that conflict with the taxpayer's religious views.
     
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    Article 5: Article V

    The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

    Would you like to suggest alternate meanings?

    Unfortunately that's what happens when dumbass president and congress force the populous to purchase a product just for being alive and over 26 years old. And when we have 4 liberals and one dumbass conservative on the supreme court.
     
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    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You misunderstand. You said that the constitution must be interpreted 'as it is written.' In response asked who gets to determine 'how it is written' because I couldn't grammatically ask "who gets to determine 'as it is written'?"

    In other words, I'm not asking how constitutional amendments are passed. I'm asking that if the Supreme Court can only interpret the constitution as it is written, who gets to decide when the Supreme Court has failed to interpret the constitution 'as it is written'?
    How is that unfortunate? That's the result you want, right? Hobby Lobby was a clear win for conservatives.
     
  6. TheImmortal

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    Theoretically the people are supposed to... hence the amendment process. For instance... if the people feel as though the supreme court has ruled incorrectly in regards to homosexual marriage, they can create an amendment to the constitution clarifying that homosexual marriage is not protected.

    But it really doesn't matter if the federal government can simply change it as they so choose and force acceptance of it through violent suppression.

    It's unfortunate because we didn't have to pay for it before. We are required to pay for it because of an idiotic policy that's been engaged in by our government.
     
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    3link Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If the people have to amend the constitution, then they are basically admitting that it was ambiguous when it was interpreted by the Supreme Court.
     
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    Not necessarily. It could be that the people refused to accept an unconstitutional amendment.
     
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    ...this comes as no surprise...all the name calling is making you sillier and sillier
     
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    I believe that that only applies to businesses which serve as public forums, something that all people would use at some point. A gun range is not such a place, and I believe it could be argued that it does not apply.
     
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    Extremists represent a tiny minority, so no, not all Muslims have "declared war" on the West. It's like saying all Christians belong to the Westboro baptist church.
     
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    dude, it only takes a few. Since the "peaceful" muslims aren't doing nothing to stop their extremist, that is the same as helping them. That means they support them.
     
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    Good luck with repealing the Civil Rights Act. I'm sure your fellow stormfronters will love it. Normal people, maybe not so much.
     
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    Can someone tell me what hating Obama has to do with the thread topic? Since the patriot I asked can't answer.
     
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    I don't even know how to begin to show you what a bunch of nonsense this is. Out of context quotes and out right lies.
     
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    It really is difficult to respond to this thread because there is so much hate, bigotry, and stupidity I don't know where to begin.
     
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    This woman is as ignorant as the other people who think that what she is doing is "correct" in ANY sense of the term (morally, ethically or legally). First of all, as a business owner, she has the right to refuse service, a right which I understand, especially at a gun range. However, establishing a business as "Muslim Free" is not only illegal, but it's as morally repugnant as putting up a sign that says "No blacks allowed". If she's an ignorant Christian, like many of the Christians who spout this nonsense against Muslims, maybe she should stop reading the Qur'an (and learn how to spell it), and read her own religious book. Here's a few examples from her, supposedly superior, religious text:

    "I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[a] she must be quiet." 1 Timothy 1:12

    "I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another’s flesh because their enemies will press the siege so hard against them to destroy them." Jeremiah 19:9

    "Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh." 1 Peter 2:18

    "When a woman has a discharge, if her discharge in her body is blood, she shall continue in her menstrual impurity for seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. Everything also on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean, and everything on which she sits shall be unclean" Leviticus 15:19

    I could go on and on about all the ridiculous passages in the Bible which hypocritical Christians never read, but I don't think I need to. Although I would like to mention point 9 by reminding everybody that Abram was commanded to sacrifice his son to God. Aside from the ridiculousness and hypocrisy of Christian beliefs, I will now move on to how unamerican this woman is. She wants to call herself "American", a person who comes from the "land of the free", and then she wants to discriminate, and actively deny people's second amendment rights? The first amendment does not give this person, or any person, the right to discriminate against an entire religion of people. The fact that she doesn't see Islam as a religion just goes to show how ignorant she is. The Civil Rights Act is not an abridgment of the right to peaceably assemble, and the right to peaceably assemble does not have the implication of a right to discriminate, this shows a clear lack of knowledge of how the law works. I sincerely hope that she takes this to the SCOTUS, where she will surely lose.

    Also, just for reference, I am not Christian or Muslim, I am an atheist. I don't really think any religion is useful, however, I think that the intolerance that is taught by the majority of Christians is JUST as dangerous as the violence that is committed by a VERY VERY tiny minority of Muslims. I am getting really sick of ALL people demonizing ALL Muslims for what a small minority of them are doing. Most Muslims do not support ISIS, and most Muslims are good, peaceful people. They have a right to practice their religion. If they are law abiding citizens, they have the right to bear arms just like the rest of us.
     
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    So, in other words, you were wrong when you said "no socialists do not generally believe that land should be publicly owned, it is a surprise to me how little knowledge some Americans have about socialism." I was discussing socialism, not your particular British attempt at it.
     
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    so basically, this store owner supports Apartheid and Segregation.
     
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    What part of the word generally do you not understand?
     
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    You don't know anything, clearly. Look up "Abdullah X" or "Muslims against ISIS". Again, it's the 2nd largest religion in the world. Extremists are obviously an issue, but saying we should treat all Muslims as potential terrorists because of them is more than idiotic, it's dangerous.
     
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    This does not look like a small minority and if it were why are the other Muslims standing by allowing these idiots to stone people in the street of Dearborn Michigan? If they don't like it here why don't they leave. They are not entitled to come here and demand that Americans change to please them.
    When I travel to other countries I act according to their laws and respect their cultures.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnJBW49afzg&feature=player_detailpage

     
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    no, its frightenly remiscient of the Nazis.

    I hate Muslim extremism and their terrorist buddies, but I will fight to defend the civil and human rights of peaceful Muslim Americans.

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    thousands upon thousands of food products in the USA receive kosher certification and regulation.

    millions of school kids get off for Jewish holidays.

    you ok with that?
     
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    I doubt you could show me anything since you are unable to see the lies that have been fed to even when someone gives you the direct quotes. Sad.
     

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