Police attack family during traffic stop in Hammond Indiana

So you think physically assaulting the man and damaging private property was and acceptable response by the police?

 

You have not rebutted anything you have asked questions a rebuttal would involve some form of evidence sir which would prove a statement which you have not made.

 

and obstructing the police is against the law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Do you think Jim Crow was a good idea?

You are free to bring up Fonzie and lynchings, but the fact remains our society should be one respecting our rights under the Constitution, not subject to the whims of the police.

$1.5 million settlement for woman beaten by California patrol officer

[video=youtube;eciO9EfktRQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eciO9EfktRQ[/video]

 

Fonzie and lynchings? Talk about changing the subject...

It's like you don't even remember what you said. Here's a reminder:

You were the one hankering for the good old days! Man... you forgot what you were even arguing....

 

Where does the law say that?

 

Again circle bird, read my last sentence then get back to me. In other words, if you are mentally challenged, how long? Just answer that for me. I can translate it into Spanish if that is what you prefer.

 

About a year ago in Tampa, a goofball felon with a gun went on a rampage and ran to his momma's house and hid in the attic. He systematically popped anyone in the head who stuck their head above attic to look. After two dead cops and a dead K9, the police chief pulled back and called in a huge crawler that crushed the house to pieces and the clown in the attic. You think the cops care about your "private property" when some assclown does not comply?


The owner of the house (the dead thugs momma) tried to sue Tampa PD and was laughed out of town. Now who is responsible for the remainder of the mortgage that insurance will not cover? Makes me laugh if it wasn't for the dead cops.

 

Your question is not relevant to the issue.

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what does that have to do with this situiation?

 

It's too bad that guy didn't hide out in the police station and then the chief could have demolished it instead of the innocent woman's house.

 

Wow. You certainly went up like a bottle-rocket in one fell swoop!

Thanks for all the accusations, but as both of my quotes you posted state: It's about individual rights.
"the fact remains our society should be one respecting our rights under the Constitution, not subject to the whims of the police."

"True, but you are living in a country that is becoming increasingly authoritarian, something both the Democrats and the Republicans have in common.

We're giving up our freedoms for the illusion of increased security. We're handing over our rights to the government so that we can be "protected"."


It strikes me as odd how some on the far Right support "follow the law" and "do as the police say" yet, in the past, had conniptions about TSA and the US Border Patrol. Example:

http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...-armed-guards-talk-federal-raid-picks-up.html

 

Why do you keep changing the subject? You said that we're getting more authoritarian and giving up our freedoms, but I just pointed out that you could no more get away with ignoring a cop when you're pulled over in the 50's than you can now. So, could you tell the cop to F off and drive away back in the 60's or 50's, or...would you still wind up getting your window smashed out?

 

The liberal spin on this is ridiculous. Even the title of this thread is highly misleading. No family was "attacked by police". What a joke. This couple was being a couple of (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s with the cops and the man got what he deserved. End of story.

 

Once again you are having to resort to absurd imaginary scenarios to try and bolster your position....sad. Do you have anything remotely realistic to go from?

 

It's not that I don't think a cop would ever take someone's money I just don't see the relevance here. Did the cops in window busting take someone's money?

 

You are free to support an authoritarian state. All I ask is that you be honest and admit it. Say "A big and strong government is a good thing" and then we can agree to disagree.

 

Failing to hand over ID, especially if they don't have any, is not any reason to break into cars, endangering children inside the car with shards of glass, dragging out passengers and then tasing them just to prove who's boss. Sounds pretty F'cked up to me.

Shouldn't the public trust our public servants? How can we trust them if they are our masters who beat us on a whim?

We as a society makes the laws, but we, as a society or individuals, have a right to fight against injustice and tyranny as noted in the Declaration of Independence.

Those who support a wrong law are part of the problem. It doesn't matter if that law is an attempt to ban high capacity magazines or preventing a particular race from voting as easily as other races. It's still wrong.

 

I agree that provocation is relevant here but it was the police that was provoked. Sure there are dishonest cops just as there are instances where cops are shot when they pull someone over. There is reason for distrust on both sides but cops have to be careful even during a traffic stop. The man in the van acted irresponsibly when they asked for his ID and even more irresponsible for not getting out when asked. He was the one who did the provoking and got when he was asking for.

 

Common advice given says that when pulled over by the police you should have your driver's license and other documentation ready to show. Also place both hands on the steering wheel. This is just common sense. If you want to know what not to do then watch the video. The guy was an idiot. If you want to see what happens to idiots when they act idiotic with police then watch the video.

I have been pulled over quite a bit. Sometimes it was something I did and sometimes it wasn't. A couple of times there were things that happened I felt were wrong. I knew better than to try and fight the cops at that time. Instead I got the names of the officers and filed a complaint. If it had been bad enough for me to file a lawsuit I would have done so but I sure have enough common sense to know better than to provoke an incident with the police.

 

Cudos for thx1138 nod.

Too many pages for me to back read... but you are not under arrest in a traffic crop but detained. You never have to comply with an unlawful order, however the police have every right to protect themselves, and it is generally wise to comply with any reasonable order, and complain after.

 

Problem is, filing complaints, lawsuits and criminal charges against a rogue faction of militant dick measurers who POLICE themselves NEVER results in any justice, ever.

It's pathetic.

 

Of course police have a right to protect themselves, but the ID'ing of passengers and busting of windows, manhandling them and tasing them for failing to comply is excessive. The old "I thought he was going for a gun" doesn't work in the light of day.

Googling "police shoot unarmed man" brings up a disturbing high number of different shootings. There is a disproportionate number of blacks shot. The proliferation of cell phone cameras is bringing many of those shootings to light.

http://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook...our-health-especially-if-you-are-person-color

http://www.colorlines.com/archives/2007/11/killed_by_the_cops.html

If citizens cannot fully trust law enforcement officers to be just in their actions, then we'll have a breakdown in the relation between the public and public law enforcement. This is already evident among the black population, especially in lower income areas. This is a problem that is not conducive to a functional American society.