This should be a learning experience for liberals

Liberals worship at the alter of big government. They think the answer to everything is big government.

So-------------maybe liberals can see that big government has NOT told the truth or wants to protect us from ebola. Now another healthcare worker in Texas is infected. And they finally admit there may be more. But big government said they had it under control and we should not worrry. Yeah right!!!!!

 

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Well, alter is a logical outgrowth of that hope & change thing.

Is CDC & USAMRIID big government ? Maybe - the military is strangely swollen & taking up more & more budget & Congressional attention even as the underlying economy has failed to grow sufficiently to allow relatively painless high defense spending to continue @ 1950s levels. CDC is more a coordinating & research organization than phalanxes of MOPP-clad gov health Hessians, however. CDC has researchers & bureaucrats, & support staff & facilities for both sets.

USARMRIID are the hands-on guys, they (in conjunction with CDC, to be sure) put out the Ebola Reston crisis near WADC back in 1989 - See The Hot Zone, a nonfiction book on E. Reston, Ebola in general, its history, etc. Excellent read, but scary. & a relatively painless way to learn.

CDC is more like the Fed Dept. Education - 5 or 6% or so of total spending for education K-12 in the US. Except that CDC puts that money into health - including Ebola. Of course, Ebola has been a low-priority target from its discovery back in 1976, because it showed little threat of breaking out of remote areas of Africa. Similarly, treatment & development of a vaccine or cure has also been back-burnered, for the same reason (& in the case of Big Pharma, because there's not much money to be made there - Ebola infects, on average, 2 people per diagnosed patient).

Recent events are upping the priority, & so now we're in a hurry to get the job done. Jostling a gene engineer's elbow while he/she is @ work, however, is a truly spectacularly bad idea. We can throw more resources, money & effort @ the task - but that isn't a guarantee of success either. Just a marker of our political will. & we're fickle - if we don't get results in say, the next year, some other disaster will take the place of the Ebola outbreak.

 

I'm a liberal and I've never worshiped anything. Worship is a conservative activity - apparently because they keep talking about it. Nonetheless how is the Ebola outbreak a result of big government or big government failure? The countries where the outbreak is the worse have barely functional governments. If the US government had not done anything vis-a-vis the Ebola outbreak we wouldn't be talking about only one or two outbreaks in Texas. We'd be up to dozens or even hundreds by now. If the government wasn't big enough to work on such issues, who would?

Considering that the the US government is by, for, and of the people then the US government is very large - 319 million strong.

Actually this has been a learning moment. I've just been given another example of a conservative spouting another of their silly platitudes that haven't really been thought out.

 

The Texas hospital where the guy from Liberia was sent home was not big government.

And I don't recall anyone from the Government saying that no other case could happen. Do you have a quote of that?

 

You do realize that closing borders and restricting travel is a big government solution, right?

What you're actually complaining about is that the government is too small. You want the government to be big and it's not being big.

 

Thanks for informing us that the government can't predict the future and can only release information after it happens.

 

Tell you what. If you contract Ebola and die, I'll buy you a nice floral arrangement. In the meantime, worry all you want. It's a free country and the government has no prohibitions against worrying.

 

The hospital in Texas is a private hospital.
The patient was sent home WITH A FEVER because he didn't have insurance.

So what lessons are we learning?

Pay for play medical care is a GREAT way to ensure that highly infectious diseases spread throughout a population.

 

Hahahaha! What the nation learned is that Obama should forbid entry to anyone from West Africa or at least put them in isolation for 21 days. What the nation learned is that someone entering the U.S. who KNOWS that he was exposed to Ebola is going to lie about it in order to get into this nation. What the nation learned is that since the Golfer-in-Chief utterly sucks as president he never even bothered to kick the tires of the seldom used CDC to see if they were up to the task of dealing with Ebola entry into the United States. So forth and so on.

 

It doesn't take bigger government to protect the citizens. It only takes a competent government. Unfortunately the country chose incompetents which filled the halls with more incompetent stooges.

If we see a handful of more cases we will see a travel ban of sorts. Even the king of incompetence knows he owns this. The polls will tell him what to do. Leading from behind again.

 

Like the private sector could do any better without a profit motive. Only socialism can bailout capitalism through income transfers and a legal monopoly on the coercive use of force of a State.

 

Watching crowds cheer and cry for Obama, puts any Sunday morning mass to shame.

 

I'm more afraid of the common flu than I am Ebola. Your fears are irrational.

 

CDC issues guidelines. These guidelines are used Nationwide in most top-quality medical facilities.

As we find out more about that hospital in Texas, it's becoming clear that the hospital cut every corner they could in relation to handling infectious diseases.

 

I'm not worried in the least bit. The RWhysteria machine is merely making more out of this than there is.

Here in Idaho, we've already had more deaths from the flu than Ebola nationwide. I'm not terribly concerned about the flu either.

 

So the CDC had experts on hand, watched how Duncan was handled and not only never said a corrective word to the hospital staff or administrators but never offered to lend those people state of the art containment suits or review them on the fundamentals to see to it that they had at least a fighting chance. Yeah . . . Ebola Barry's CDC did one HELL of a job . . . literally. Ah, the classics never get old.

 

So you think that the CDC should've rushed down there and took over hospital operations? How very big government of you! I can see Perry rushing back from his trip to order the Texas National Guard to arrest any CDC "expert" that tried to do that.

Face facts, the hospital made several HUGE errors. Their staff was poorly trained and the hospital seems to have ignored basic protocols for handling infectious diseases.

 

I'm sorry but I've seen no evidence liberals are capable of learning from experience.

 

You make very little sense ! Predicting the virus would spread to the USA was a NO BRAINER !
You disagree with me? YOU
1. Please prove me wrong
2. Please use only credible facts to back it up.

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Still beating that broken drum!

 

People expected FEMA to rush right down after Katrina

Considering the whole reason for the CDC is DISEASE CONTROL..............and it was the first case of Ebola EVER here.

yeah............they should have rushed right down...........

 

Cheering on someone who shares ones views is not at all the same thing as a bunch of sheep praying to their non-existent god in the hopes they'll go to a non-existent heaven when they die.

 

The CDC failed to do ANY of its job; the job that it gets many millions of dollars per year to do and that (supposedly) they drill all the time in being able to do in the most effective manner possible. Obama is a failure and to date the CDC has been a failure . . . and . . . citizens have definitely noticed.

What inveterate Obama supporters still do not seem able to comprehend (probably still mentally stuck on pie-in-the-sky "Hope and Change!") is that all this chronic excuses making for Obama and for in over their heads Obama political appointees doing vital national jobs no longer cuts any ice with the public.

That's why the Anointed One's polling numbers are in the toilet and why it looks like the Dem Party itself is about to suffer a tremendous political shellacking in these upcoming mid term elections; because the average citizen has become ANGRY with this president and with the members of his screw up administration. Go figure.

 

Not only that the CDC BLAMED the nurse....said she violated 'protocol.' Now we learn that 'protocol' was to wrap tape around their necks because the standard protective gear had no seal around several places including the neck. Imagine trying to take off that tape without being exposed.

Deborah Burger of National Nurses United, who convened a conference call with reporters to relay what she said were concerns of nurses at the hospital, said they were forced to use medical tape to secure openings in their flimsy garments and worried that their necks and heads were exposed as they cared for Duncan.

http://www.boston.com/health/2014/1...-ebola-care/GqpH1p5wqvZWJdVA62T1lI/story.html

 

Oh? The government knew when the virus would reach the US? I guess they are psychic after all.

 

Sometimes, right wingers are so caught up in their fervor that they lose sight of what they're actually claiming to support.