What has God done for the inhabitants of this planet

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  1. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    These people who believe that the Bible is literally the word of god, irrefutable, completely truthful, is a conscious choice that they make. And man throughout history has had this commonality, to believe in this or that, for we as a thinking species have always sought meaning, once we got the food, the shelter, the physical security in place. We as a species have wondered what happens when our bodies die, and most humans have an innate fear, a psychological fear of death, of losing all that we have been, of losing things that we are deeply attached to, and so on. This commonality of humanity is what created all of the religious belief systems, and there are so many spanning the ages with some having died out. We don't know how many religions man has created and then believed in, seeking meaning, seeking to alleviate the fear of death. This is what it means to be human. It is obviously our nature, for most of us.

    So if we are to be honest with ourselves, which hardly any true believer is, we would see what created the various religions, and we would also see why we cling to our own, and become emotionally involved in arguing for it, that our own is the only right, correct, true one, out of perhaps thousands of belief systems. Being driven for a search of meaning, being driven by psychological fears, doesn't negate the fact that a Creator of some kind exists. It only explains why we act as we do when it comes to our own religious beliefs. And why we cling so tightly to our particular belief. For religious beliefs give us psychological security and it is a commonality of humanity to demand some form of psychological security. If we do not get it in religion, we will seek it in other areas, in scientific knowledge, in relationships with special people in our lives, and so on. This is just the fact of existence, yet some will even deny this, and I have seen people try. But these people are just dishonest, for whatever reason, and that lies too in the realm of psychology.


    One of the objections that the religious have with atheistic science is that it offers only a sterile, meaningless universe. There was an earlier time when religion and science were not at such great odds. The science would concern itself with the material world, and the religions would concern itself with the other needs of humanity. And of course that changed, when atheism became a belief system. With its own faith. It's faith comes from having a faith in the assumption that matter is the ground of the universe, and that consciousness is just a quirk, a by product of matter. This is called materialism, but the assumption made long ago is never questioned and has become nothing more than dogma. And materialism really has no place for anything that could be called God. So, it denies God from the get-go, with the assumption that was made, by a human brain. And so all explanations are driven by that belief that assumption that matter is the ground of reality. And this has become the Church of Materialism. Anything that would be explained by something other than that is simply not looked at and rejected out of hand. And so, any other inquiry is cut off, limited by a very entrenched belief system. If one wants to inquire into a non materialistic understanding, you will not get funding to do that. For materialism is truth or so they believe.

    Atheists necessarily have to be materialists. But what if the assumption about matter being the ground is wrong? What if consciousness is the ground and matter, the material universe manifests from consciousness with consciousness being non local in the sense that the brain, matter is the transceiver of it? Well that would change the very way that we would see ourselves, and the universe, and it would no longer be sterile, devoid of any meaning. This would be a repulsion to an materialistic atheist. Not acceptable. For psychological reasons and one could expect to see the same emotional attachment to their belief system as one sees from the religious.

    People, materialists, claim there is no evidence for a non local consciousness, evidence that consciousness is not limited to just the brain. Yet there is, provided by real scientists, which academia in their dogmatic beliefs in materialism simply ignore, or try to discount it, in unscientific ways. They tend to call it woo woo, as human beliefs are very powerful things even amongst some men in science. Afterall, their careers are firmly grounded in materialism, and it once again becomes a thing of psychology. In why people believe in the things that they do.

    The materialists are so fervent in their beliefs, that they will even stoop to dishonesty in defending those beliefs, showing us that atheists are just as despicable as some of the religious. A case with Wilkipedia is an illustration of this in reference to a brilliant and credentialed biologist, Sheldrake. Here this should show you the reality of what is going on today, the outright dishonesty coming from the atheistic materialists....


    http://www.sheldrake.org/audios/the-wikipedia-problem


    The militant materialists will stoop lower than whale (*)(*)(*)(*), in order to discredit any scientist who will question their faith. And this is so prolific today, and reminds one of the history of the earlier RCC, with Galileo. This is the Church of Atheistic Materialism in operation. So, please listen to the short audio, and educate yourself in what is actually going on today. And then tell me this is any different from the religious true believers, and what they do.

    Here is some text on the subject...

    http://www.sheldrake.org/about-rupert-sheldrake/blog/wikipedia-under-threat
     
  2. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    Uh..so God gives us nothing, and then expects gratitude for it? Well, hey, thanks for nothing, God.
     
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    I'm quite grateful for all things, but this thread somehow spurred an appreciation for God's gift of Natural Law. The necessary bounds to support the life He gave us.
     
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    any who knows how I post would have known something didn't seem right, it was a typo, I meant live! :blankstare:
     
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    not all man have that belief, because I’ve NEVER been one who either wanted to believe in anything spiritual. Or who was seeking something to believe in. nor was I one who was easily fooled into believing anything. But!... if there's enough proof for me to believe and I can't prove otherwise, Then I'll accept it for what it is. MANY say there is no invisible beings like God ,Angels and even demons. they say we can't prove it is, but that can be said towards the non believers, They can't prove there isn't! And what about the MANY archeologist who found ruins of places or things spoken of in the bible? Like the dead sea scrolls. And on PBS channel last night they were speaking about “Jesus the Christ”. They showed Jerusalem today and what it looked like centuries ago. Jerusalem was spoken of in the bible ,(Luke 2:42 And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem after the custom of the feast). Sometimes it's not about one believing what's true which make one wrong. But one believing not the truth, which can makes one wrong. Either way someone's wrong, and though I know in my heart there are unexplainable things. I can humble down if I was proven wrong about what I believe. But if one say I’m wrong, they better prove they're right. peace :smile:

     
  6. Gorn Captain

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    Well, according to the Old Testament....

    He KILLED a lot of us...on his own deliberately or ordering somebody else to do it deliberately.

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    Did God give you life....or your parents?
     

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