Jesus returns in 2017,,,,

Jesus was God and Man. Think of the flesh ie the body of Jesus being limiter of what God can do while in the body of Jesus. God often used temporal agents, angels, the burning bush, visions, etc etc instead of manifesting in the physical universe in his own form if he has one. (I think God does have a form) So Jesus was the ultimate version of using an agent. The human body including of course his brain was a vessel for God much in the manner our body is a temporary vessel to allow us to navigate our spiritual essence i.e. our soul through the physical universe dependent on space time. So Jesus was God limited by the human body. He was a perfect a man as the flesh allowed possible. Even with the limitations he accomplished his entire Messianic prophetic calling predicted in the Old Testament.

reva

 

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I hope that this OP can be found again and bumped back to the top of the board in 3 years and 1 week.

 

The suffering servant of the Old Testament is referring to Israel.. The Jews expected an anointed warrior king like David who would vanquish their enemies.

 

you said “Jesus was God and man”, but did Jesus say that? Again if we say we follow Jesus, which he told us to do ,(Luke 9:23). then we should believe what he said, and not what we were taught to believe ,again, unless it's scripture based. Jesus NEVER said he was God, he said he HAD a God and a Father ,(John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God). Now I’ve heard MANY times one explaining Jesus was God in Heaven but sent himself to be son on earth. But since Jesus wasn't a liar, why would he say God SENT HIM, (John 3:16), instead of saying he's God but came as the son? ok, let's say Jesus IS the almighty God, but made himself the son and came to earth.

Still!... why would he lie and say things like ,(John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak). Did he as God sent himself to lie to us, though he hates lying ,like his Father, (Pro. 6:16,17 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him. A proud look, a lying tongue...). and cause much disagreement among people. who say they follow Jesus/himself ,HIS people?, Would loving God do that? We can see from scriptures Jesus ISN'T God, be-it on earth or in Heaven. In Fact from Heaven he speaks of destruction towards wicked mankind by the one “seated on the throne”, AND... “the lamb” ,(Rev. 6:16, And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?).

But out of the MANY scriptures that prove Jesus isn't God in Heaven but has a God. this Was him speaking on this before he was sent to earth ,(Pro. 8:22-30 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth. While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth. When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep. When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth. Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him).

Someone try to say this was one of the Angels speaking. But anyone can see this was Jesus. Because he was with his Father when ALL other things were created, in fact, he helped his Father and God. Jesus even said basically before his Father created anything, he was there. As a matter of fact, MANY believe Jesus was ALWAYS HERE. But again, that's NOT what he said. He kept using the term “I was brought forth”. Which means in his case he was ALSO created ,(Colo.1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature). As scriptures say, he was the FIRST born, of all creations. And we know he wasn't born in the same manner as human, in his beginning. The word born also can mean giving life. And life was giving to him by the Grand Creator, his Father Jehovah God, (Exo. 6:3 and Psa. 93:18). peace

 

Fascinating….. i wonder how this fits with what near death experiencer Dannion Brinkley was shown about the Middle EAst.

 

What a load of hooey........ You know these clots earn their living writing and promoting such crap.

 

No man (or woman) knows the hour...

 

You can try throwing that at Doomsdayers/Rapture Ready/etc.....but they have an "excuse"...

they say "True...but there are a LOT more indications of it coming soon NOW than ever before."

IOW, they are claiming that THEY know....and thus, ironically, contradict the Bible.

 

It will be in the archives in case you want to use it for research etc ~

reva

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What do you know margot we agree on something!

reva

 

Probably another reason the jewish religious authority rejected him. They were waiting and I guess are still waiting on a warrior king to smash their enemies to smithereens.

So, the fact that he didn't come back as a warrior king, basically shows that the OT scripture was wrong, in their contentions on this issue. And if that part is wrong, much of it is perhaps also wrong.


Christ was trying to tell them that God can dwell in man, making him finally a non evil human being, and they took up stones to stone him. He then told them their own scripture said it was a fact, that God can dwell in man, as a son of God, so he used some of their own scripture to show them wrong in their beliefs. The Jews had it all wrong, and all he tried to do with to set it straight. But anytime you challenge men in positions of religious authority, you stand a chance of being killed. LOL. It is the same today. NEVER question the religious authority that man gave themselves, for its very dangerous.

Religious beliefs are the most dangerous beliefs in the world. Just look at what it makes the radical muslims do. Blow themselves up, killing their own people, killing muslims, for they have a religious belief, that is so strong they will even commit suicide in order to get access to virgins in heaven. Too bad they won't have a penis to use. Unless you think heaven is one big orgy.

 

I see a vision, the Christians religion will be no more after the year 2080, it will join the likes of religions of the past and I predict a new religion will take it's place


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I was getting ready to log off when I caught a glimpse of your post. I will give you a short answer to review then I will address your post in detail when I return. Here is a couple verses (two of many) that validates my words; John 14:7-10 [7] If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." [8] Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." [9] Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, `Show us the Father'? [10] Don't you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."

John 14:11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.

God bless~

reva

 

Yes,...
Christ was Truth, personified.
He was, then, both the image of Reality and born out of it, too.
He was son-of-Reality and the image of Reality.

This is why early Christians underwrote the idea of Trinity:

For mankind, Truth and Reality are the same thing, because one explains the other, and images the other, and men can not tell one from the other.
That is the Trinity.

 

Christ was the Elijah, who must come first.

Elijah came, did his miracles which were supposed to expose him as Elijah, but the people insisted that Christ was messiah ben David, the conquering messiah of who you speak.

 

I see a vision of the year 2081 where Christianity has vanquished by assimilation and other non violent methods even radical Islam, and Christianity is the only major religion on earth. Also I see a united western hemisphere. In the year 2525* If man is still alive I see Jesus Christ ruling our transformed earth and universe, transformed to a material that does not decay with the passage of time shades of revelation.

In the year 2525

n the year 2525, if man is still alive
If woman can survive, they may find
In the year 3535

Ain't gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lie
Everything you think, do and say
Is in the pill you took today

In the year 4545
You ain't gonna need your teeth, won't need your eyes
You won't find a thing to chew
Nobody's gonna look at you

In the year 5555
Your arms hangin' limp at your sides
Your legs got nothin' to do
Some machine's doin' that for you

In the year 6565
Ain't gonna need no husband, won't need no wife
You'll pick your son, pick your daughter too
From the bottom of a long glass tube

In the year 7510
If God's a-coming, He oughta make it by then
Maybe He'll look around Himself and say
"Guess it's time for the Judgement Day"

In the year 8510
God is gonna shake His mighty head
He'll either say, "I'm pleased where man has been"
Or tear it down, and start again

In the year 9595
I'm kinda wonderin' if man is gonna be alive
He's taken everything this old earth can give
And he ain't put back nothing

Now it's been ten thousand years, man has cried a billion tears
For what, he never knew, now man's reign is through
But through eternal night, the twinkling of starlight
So very far away, maybe it's only yesterday

Songwriters
Evans, Richard Lee

It sounds a lot better, profound even with the music....and the sacrament of the day ~

reva

 

Exactly right.

The Jews will accept Christ as The Elijah when they compare what Chris did in 32AD.
This will take Islam and Christianity look very weak and somewhat wrong.

In the end, 10 men will tug at the robes of Jewish priests, saying, "God is with you:"


Zech 8:23 Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you.

 

My 'money' is still on 2027-2033 (aka, 2000 yrs from the death & resurrection, & following the 2nd coming of the 'warrior King!') and then no religion as it will be the Millennium!

 

I see a vision of the year 2081 where Christianity has vanquished by assimilation and other non violent methods even radical Islam, and is the only major religion on earth. Also I see a united western hemisphere. In the year 4545* If man is still alive I see Jesus Christ ruling our transformed earth and universe, transformed to a material that does not decay with the passage of time shades of revelation.

In the year 2525

n the year 2525, if man is still alive
If woman can survive, they may find
In the year 3535

Ain't gonna need to tell the truth, tell no lie
Everything you think, do and say
Is in the pill you took today

In the year 4545
You ain't gonna need your teeth, won't need your eyes
You won't find a thing to chew
Nobody's gonna look at you

In the year 5555
Your arms hangin' limp at your sides
Your legs got nothin' to do
Some machine's doin' that for you

In the year 6565
Ain't gonna need no husband, won't need no wife
You'll pick your son, pick your daughter too
From the bottom of a long glass tube

In the year 7510
If God's a-coming, He oughta make it by then
Maybe He'll look around Himself and say
"Guess it's time for the Judgement Day"

In the year 8510
God is gonna shake His mighty head
He'll either say, "I'm pleased where man has been"
Or tear it down, and start again

In the year 9595
I'm kinda wonderin' if man is gonna be alive
He's taken everything this old earth can give
And he ain't put back nothing

Now it's been ten thousand years, man has cried a billion tears
For what, he never knew, now man's reign is through
But through eternal night, the twinkling of starlight
So very far away, maybe it's only yesterday

Songwriters
Evans, Richard Lee

It sounded a lot more profound back in the day with music....

reva

 

Those words "in me" speak volumes. People should pay attention to the words used.

 

Pretty good intuition, 2k25-2k33, in my opinion:

Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away (in 70 AD), and (until) the abomination (of the Dome of the Rock) that maketh desolate set up (in 690 AD), there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days, (1290 + 690 = 1980 AD, the re-dedication of The New Jerusalem as Capital of Israel).

Dan. 12:12 Blessed is he, (1290 years after the 690 AD construction of the Dome of the Rock, that is: 1980 AD), that waiteth (45 more years), and cometh to (the end), the thousand, three hundred and five and thirty days, (2K25 AD).

Dan. 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be (in the 21st Century, i.e.; Daniel 12:7 "times, times and half a times"): for thou shalt rest (in the genetic pool of the Jewish people), and stand in thy lot (when drawn again, from the gene pool of man for resurrection in your name and mind) at the end of the days (of Modern Homo sapiens).

 

anything is possible eh?

reva

 

Sounds like 'another' correlation of the 'plan of God' (and NOT the day nor hour!)


OT 'Type' of the people following the ark across the Jordan into the Promised Land

Joshua (means Savior):

3 And they commanded the people, saying, When ye see the ark of the covenant (Jesus) of the Lord your God, and the priests the Levites (12 Apostles) bearing it, then ye shall remove from your place, and go after it.

4 Yet there shall be a space (church age) between you and it, about two thousand cubits (years) by measure: come not near unto it, that ye may know the way by which ye must go: for ye have not passed this way heretofore.

5 And Joshua said unto the people, Sanctify yourselves: for tomorrow the Lord will do wonders among you.

6 And Joshua spake unto the priests, saying, Take up the ark of the covenant, and pass over before the people. And they took up the ark of the covenant, and went before the people.

Where Jesus is called the ark of a 'New' and 'Better' Covenant leading into 'the Promised Land'

 

[video=youtube;izQB2-Kmiic]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic[/video]

 

This is excellent scripture digging here.
Thank you.

I will add these thoughts and verses to me growing knowledge of the great day of the lord to come.