Archaeologists Believe They Found Location Where Jesus Christ Taught

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  1. dairyair

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    Yes, satan will do anything. The easiest to do is to get a book written and call it God's word. That would fool a great multitude.
     
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    You are entitled to believe as you wish. I'm afraid I can't trust a book which I have proven, over many years of study, to be full of error. I spent many years preaching, studying, preparing Bible studies until I realised that.
     
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    but if the Jehovah God wanted to make his people in days of old look all good. Then why did he have man write down the negative acts of his faithful people? Like the Israelites, many times being disobedient, (Josh. 5:6 For the children of Israel walked forty years in the wilderness, till all the people that were men of war, which came out of Egypt, were consumed, because they obeyed not the voice of the LORD: unto whom the LORD sware that he would not show them the land, which the LORD sware unto their fathers that he would give us, a land that floweth with milk and honey).

    And King David committing adultery ,(2Sam. 11:4,5 And David sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her; for she was purified from her uncleanness: and she returned unto her house. And the woman conceived, and sent and told David, and said, I am with child). The thing is, man think he can do everything and anything. But if God want it known or not, he has the last say. ONLY humans that depend on humans feel the need to have a great military to defeat another. Gideon had ONLY 300 men and they STILL won.

    Man's army can be destroyed if it's lead my imperfect man who believes he knows it all. But ANY army lead by Jehovah God won't be, even if it's ONLY one man. Because it's him who can make or break ANY human. Also these men like Josiah were true servants of the Almighty God Jehovah. They had faith in him, and NOT fear in man. And he had their backs. Just because it seem like crap to many, Doesn't mean it didn't happen. If one don't believe it might seem that way. I can understand why some don't believe ,(2cor.4:4). peace
     
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    The recurring theme is sin, mercy and redemption of a flawed and rebellious people.

    And NO... it didn't happen.. Israel is and was a tiny place and very poor in terms of resources.. Its rocky and arid.. with little to no pasture.. It simply couldn't support a large population. You should go to the Holy Lands and see for yourself. David's "kingdom" was a hilltop village in bandit territory.. a whistle stop on the trade route.

    The stories are grandiose and epic because they had NO heritage, no narrative, no history until they experienced exile in Babylon. The stories are borrowed from Sumer, Egypt, Ugarite...

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    The recurring theme is sin, mercy and redemption of a flawed and rebellious people.

    And NO... it didn't happen.. Israel is and was a tiny place and very poor in terms of resources.. Its rocky and arid.. with little to no pasture.. It simply couldn't support a large population. You should go to the Holy Lands and see for yourself. David's "kingdom" was a hilltop village in bandit territory.. a whistle stop on the trade route.

    The stories are grandiose and epic because they had NO heritage, no narrative, no history until they experienced exile in Babylon. The stories are borrowed from Sumer, Egypt, Ugarite...
     
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    I think it'd be more interesting if they found a "mount"......with 5000 gnawed fish skeletons on it.

    :)
     
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    Actually, you'd be hard pressed to find a "mount" at all.
     
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    but just as satan can make man write books which seems of God, and he has! He can make people believe there isn't a God. Satan can do ONLY what Jehovah God allows him to do. But wait!... if one can believe satan who is a spirit being, can do many things. And he's also mention often in the bible. Then why can't we believe in the words of the bible? As the words from another spirit being. The point you just made is kind of what we've been saying. It's a spirit being who has man writing down his words. ONLY when it comes to the bible it's the words of God, (Jer. 30:1,2 The word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD God of Israel, saying, Write thee all the words that I have spoken unto thee in a book).

    Satan told Jehovah God basically he can turn man against him, and he has with many. This is why Jehovah's words say satan has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, (2Cor.4:4), Though as I tell the believers who quickly believes it's ONLY directed to unbelievers. It's actually directed also to those who say they believe. Meaning, if a “christian” say Jesus is the Father and God. Yet!, Jesus say he HAS a Father and God. They are calling Jesus a liar, which means satan has also blinded them. Because they believe what man said instead of the one they claim to follow. So we ALL can be fooled by satan, unless we stay close to God ,Jehovah ,(Ephe. 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil). peace :smile:


     
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    I understand what you're saying, and I see you say you preach. May I ask, where do you get your words from? , if not the bible. And also do you believe anything from the bible, like Jesus, Or nothing at all? peace :smile:
     
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    I think the way you can tell if you run across a genuine Christian, a follower of Christ, is if the person tells you he read the O.T. and then the N.T., went back and re-read the Teachings of Christ, and then promptly burned the Bible, for he got the message, which allowed enlightenment, and then hung up the phone, by burning the Bible. No further need to search the scriptures looking for eternal life. For why drink from a stagnant old pool of water when the flowing living waters are inside consciousness, and you never have to stoop again to drink of the mosquito larvae filled pool? You can use that bible then for fire starter for your fire place, so it can be put to good use.
     
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    Any small hill around the former Kingdom of Judea would work, I guess.

    But seriously, it wouldn't prove anything, would it? Jesus was friends with fishermen....so maybe a "miracle" was spun out of them being generous with their catch and a good ol' fashioned Judean fish-fry.
     
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    You're confusing HaSatan of the Tanakh with the Christian idea of Satan.

    HaSatan is Gods servant who does Gods bidding. He tests mens faith - as in the case of Job. He is limited to what God allows. He does not turn men from God. It is their lack of belief that does that.

    Christianity has converted HaSatan into Satan - the enemy of God, actively working against God.
     
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    My concluding words indicate I no longer preach.

    I read and studied the Bible and found so many errors, mistranslations and impossible situations that I realised it was not what I had always believed. Anyone with an open mind who studied it would have a problem reconciling it with what the church has taught for centuries.
    I believe in a Jewish teacher who came to the Jews with a message of reconciliation if the Jews would return to their faith. There's no evidence he ever preached to the Gentiles but to the Jews. Everything he said and did was to the Jews. Only when a gentile came and had enough faith did he grant them 'the crumbs'. Why did he need to preach to the Gentiles. They were saved by the Noahide code if they practised it.
     

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