No vaccination? No school!!!!

No, the CDC is spot on here. They are clear on their stance on immunizations. Are you confused on that point?

 

Oh so you don't care about getting other children sick because you're placing them at risk with children who are extremely susceptible to all kinds of things that nobody can get immunized for and that's perfectly fine.

All you care about is that people who hold a certain religious view aren't allowed to put other children at risk.

Your hypocrisy is blatant and astounding.

 

The intransigent stupidity of many on this subject is even more disturbing.

 

Well personally I think they should get their kids immunized... however I don't think you have the right to deny children who could be perfectly healthy and never harm ANYBODY access to public education that their parents are paying for simply because you disagree with a decision their parents made.

And if you ARE going to deny them that access then you can't expect their parents to pay for it.

 

Are you? Their stance is that the increase in infection rates in some infectious diseases is in large part due to a switch from whole cell vaccines to acellular vaccines, but you're just here to blame idiots, right? 80% of the pertussis infection in California spread through fully vaccinated kids. Is that the fault of some unvaccinated kid at Disney?

If you want to have an effective strategy to defeat disease you have to look at the whole picture. You can't just point at a tiny corner of the picture and mock a smudge. The problem is way we use vaccines in general, not that some people have the ability to choose not to use them.

There is absolutely no reason why the makers of any medicine should not continually have to justify the use of their product. Vaccines are no exception. If you're completely confident in the ability of every vaccine out there to protect the entire populace using the current method they are deployed, then I suggest that you are the one that has no idea what the research actually says.

We give these vaccines to kids because we have limited resources, and they are the most vulnerable. But the problem is that these diseases stay endemic in ADULTS. We thought polio was eradicated, remember? Where do you think it was hiding?

Beyond that vaccines were not the only thing to eradicate Polio here in the states. You know what was a major factor? Clean water. How about a major increase in personal hygiene? How about a medical awareness of the disease, and an increased skill in the ability to treat the infected? Don't you think those also played a major role?

And how about now. Do you think that doctors are as skilled at diagnosing diseases they haven't ever seen in their lifetimes? Do you think they are as skilled at treating them?

 

This is just nonsense pretending to be logic.

There are medical (and even religious!!) exemptions in the states I know.

And, yes, that adds risk to those of our families who are exposed to these kids.

 

Good grief man stop pretending to be stupid. You know that isn't the case and also isn't what he said. If you want to discuss then discuss but this isn't discussion it's just arguing for arguing's sake.

 

The US did. Hillary apologized.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/checkup/2010/10/us_apologizes_for_1940s_experi.html

I believe certain vaccines should be strongly encouraged/required and certain medical exceptions should be granted. However, when you have a big Pharma company in collusion with government, that is dangerous.

See guardasil.

 

feel free.

 

The government would not set up a vaccination injury compensation fund if vaccines were completely safe.

 

Well, one article I read about it was that officials in one of the Southern California counties that had 34 cases, said that only 5 of the 34 were vaccinated.

This article (from yesterday) says that 82% of the children infected were not vaccinated.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/21/health/disneyland-measles/

 

I was thinking about the Tuskegee experiments, not ones done out of the country.

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Vaccinations are not completely safe--nothing is completely safe, it's an impossibility. It is known that there are side effects to certain vaccinations on a fairly rare basis. SOme of these side effects are fatal. That said, the risks of dying of the actual disease if unvaccinated is much higher than the risk of dying from the side effects of the vaccine. My kids are vaccinated, and would be even if I could have easily gotten out of it like in California. (it's harder to get out of vaccines in Florida than California)

 

How did the 60 vaccinated kids get the measles?

 

I thought the idea was to punish parents, not to reward them?

 

Well, from what I just posted (post #86 of the thread), 82% of the kids who got the disease were unvaccinated. That means that 49 of that 60 were unvaccinated. Only 11 of them were vaccinated.

 

Yeah, I fell asleep on your turn to pertussis, when the thread is about measles. Nobody contracted pertussis at Disneyland. Start a pertussis thread and we can look into that a bit more. The measles vaccine works and it works well. We have pretty much eradicated polio, smallpox and, if people followed through, measles. Mumps is also in that group.

Re: polio. Do you really think personal hygiene was that much different in the early 50s to the mid-60? Or that the water was cleaner? Of course it wasn't. Absurd to think so. So, no. They didn't play a major role.

We give vaccines because they work. And for anyone to ignore that truth takes them to the next part of the root of that word - ignor(ant)

 

This is what open borders gets you.

No way to ensure the public safety...........

2000 the US was declared measles free.

2014 644 cases reported.

2015 already has 68

 

I may have been vaccinated as a kid, but I haven't taken a shot since age 14.(I'm 22, going 23 this March). Best decision I've ever made. No more needles and I feel perfectly healthy and fine. I'd rather treat the flu(if I get it) with cold medicine.

 

Because of measles?

 

Still, a 18% failure rate is awful high. My one daughter and a grandson both had negative reactions to one of the vaccinations. The daughter almost died.

 

Would you punish a parent who carelessly left something known to be dangerous (such as prescription meds) where they could be reached if the child got hurt?

How about if the deliberately did it?

 

Should we punish parents who get their kids vaccinated and then their child has server adverse affects from the vaccine?

I guess for now they just sue the phama companies, until conservative get their 'tort reform' thru and they get nothing.

 

Yep. Vaccines are a government-pimped product that is by and large nowhere near as necessary as they like to claim it is. It's another result of corruption, as there are some huge buck-buck-bucks involved in this as well as in most other forms of medicine.

And THAT will be why 0bamacare turned out the way it did, by the way. It ended up being a giant clusterscrew of forced private insurance and subsidised private insurance instead of a way to lower medical costs at the clinic and/or provide a single payer model that would provide a lot more benefit to us little folk on the whole because of the wealth and resulting power and influence of the healthcare "industry."

 

Measels won't hurt you. Would you punish a parent for letting kids play football?

 

I blame immigration.

Is this yet another hidden cost of immigration, that all our children have to get vaccinated now?