Koch Bros. CONTEMPT of Congress over climate investigation? (Claims 1st amendment)...

Wrong, the corporations are fictions made of paper that the tyrant-thieves-criminals hide behind. Not always, but quite often.

There are a few which are exceptions. Those should be granted privileges so they can operate easily. Let the rest struggle with accountability.

 

If corporations were people as you claim, they'd be able to vote in elections. Since they cannot, non-sequitur.

 

"Fictions made of paper"? How does a fiction made of paper create a business?

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They do vote. In American elections if they are Americans. They also vote based on the number of shares they own, when the shareholders must vote on issues.

 

The paper business is comprised of "persons" not people. Persons acting in commerce.

Here is some history on the difference.

http://m.sparknotes.com/philosophy/socialcontract/characters.html

Basically persons have compromised the status as people by extending themselves into a contract with group exceeding the minimum that people must accept in civil society. That cannot be allowed to infringe on the actual rights held by people that are simply living, not a part of the group not having equal accountability to the power gained by the excess of their contract.

 

You are mixing terms and entities. Not fair or ethical. The persons who contract with corporations have a vote as individual people, but the corporation has no vote per se.

It does have a defacto, illegitimate vote It can exercise by use of an unconstitutional right to free speech or by campaign contribution influencing the vote of people while the people voting might not know of the contribution by the corporation creating a false image of the support by people. Which is instead support of persons compromising their status in civil society to gain power, something perhaps NOT of the common good by contracting in commerce with other persons.

This infringes upon the power of people under color of equality when it is not equal in power.

 

You're not seriously asking this are you?

Hillary, Obama, Holder, and countless other Dems failing to comply with investigations over the years.

You're not seriously asking this are you?

 

Look, I really don't want to waste more time with silly conspiracy theories about
this. I can't help people that don't understand the basic legalities of why a
corporation is considered a person for legal purposes, free speech ect.

 

A true conservative does not eat the rich alive. nor do we covet other peoples things.

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People vote in political elections. Corporations owned by people do not. You might as well claim that because a person owns a banana, the banana is a person. And that would be just as ridiculous as claiming that corporations are people. Or are you proposing that bananas should have voting rights?

 

So your idea that unborn people aren't citizens goes for all people under 18, criminal, illegals - thank allah that you came around on that point - and tourists. Sounds like an islamic idea. If you aren't a dem voting liberal you aren't a person with Constitutional rights...



For bought and paid for liberals whose job it is to promote stupidity to be complaining about anyone trying to get real scientific facts about the climate is the height of hypocrisy. The progressive agenda has to have total control of speech so that they can control the masses of what they believe to be of lesser value.

As bad a president as Harry Truman was he would puke if he knew that his likeness was representing the far left attitude today but our Constitution gives the left the right to tell any lie that they want and the right to complain that the right are trying to get at the truth.

In the face of the political left buying hundreds of scientists to peak lies and threatening other scientists if they don't agree the left is wringing their hands because the Koch Brothers commission a scientific study?? That can only mean that the left knows that the man made global warning panic is a very expensive hoax. How many billions of tax payer dollars have been wasted by our liberal leaders?? Not just on flawed science but all of the expensive regulations and crap like the electric cars, the eagle killing wind mills and other solar power scams propped up by our tax payers.

But allah forbid that any other voice should be allowed to be heard by the people.

CP makes a giant jump when she implies that the KBs would refuse to answer questing if they were called before the Senate. There is no Senate committee to call them before,, is there CP??? Just three- Barbara Boxer, Edward Markey and Sheldon Whitehouse - liberal fools pulling a political stunt. They had no expectation that the KBs would answer their fool questions.

The "Three Horse's Asses" know that the liberal horde is so stupid and loyal that they could freeze to death in June still believing in GW but the "THA" also know that the GW scam is so shaky that one well done study could cause a big piece of their citizen control efforts to evaporate and the would leave them in a bad spot.

 

Tell that to the banana lobbyists.

 

A disgusting and transparent ideological witch-hunt spearheaded by a bunch of crooked and power-hungry DC politicians who probably belong in jail themselves.

 

Did it ever occur to you that the Kochs might be right about anthropogenic global warming?

 

The Kochs can buy whatever lies they want when it comes to climate change. But video is your friend; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC3VTgIPoGU Intelligent people know what is going on and they know why.

 

A corporation is a business. Businesses are tangible properties. They are owned by people, but are NOT (the corporations) themselves people. They are properties. Frankly the argument you people are making is about as stupid as it gets. Unless you are suggesting that people are also properties, in which case, the argument you are making is the same one made by slave owners in times past. And if that is the case, I k-k-k-an only remind you that the civil war is over, and you need to get over it.

 

When Cpic isn't posting new threads, he's looking for stuff to be outraged about so that he can post a new thread about it.

 

Did it ever occur to you that they might promote "doubt" about global warming only to keep their petrochemical bottom line where they prefer it to be?

 

The legal fact of notes in a margin used as an excuse by supreme court justices to give individual rights to corporations is hardly a conspiracy. Its a legal fact.

If courts were absolutely constitutional and pro se filings were properly considered, it might be different. But they are not. A classic example is corporations lying because they can, then a bunch of laws need to be made governing "false advertising" laws.

Aside from that you've condoned treason usurping US law in US territory by your use of a cognitive distortion terming my facts as "silly". Do you realize that you have no standing in court against corporations operating with/as multinationals in your area? Really, that's okay? Either that or you are too ignorant to know about GATT and NAFTA.

It is illogical and unethical to term a group of persons signing a contract to do business an individual who has rights under the constitution.

 

Yes maybe you are right, corporations may have written those treaties, but corporations are still people. The shareholders, the top management are people, and they have banded together and gone to government looking for favors to help their interest. Its no different from individuals writing congressmen, or church groups, or charities, or other interest groups letting their representatives know what they want. What you don't like is that those in government seem to always give corporations more of an ear than you and your beliefs. If you dislike it vote against anyone in both parties who does so, inform others...

But know that this is what happens when we continually empower government to "fix" things on our behalf, we give them the power to also bestow favors and law that works against us in favor of other individuals in this country. You can't encourage big government intervention then cry when people wealthier than you are able to buy themselves a spot ahead of the line.

That is why I am a libertarian, I understand the need for government, but I respect everyones rights as much as my own, and encourage the free expression of those rights as long as they don't infringe upon the my rights and those of others. I want a small government that enforces the rule of law, private property, contract law, and doesn't have the power to give favors. This is not something most democrats and republicans support, both have a view of society they believe is "right" and want the government to force that view. They don't realize in doing so they empower the most destructive and oppressive force in history... strong centralized governments.

 

Did it ever occur to you that the entire global warming issue is a red herring to distract from the more dangerous, short term issue intrinsically related to industrialism?

TOXICITY

 

Is this something that only applies to corporations, or do unions, trade organizations,
non-profits, and other entities made up of people also have free speech rights?

I don't see what difference it makes. It allows them to advertise, to be sued, or to sue ect.

 

I love people who answer a question with another question.

I'm automatically skeptical of doomsday predictions, especially when they serve as a pretext for increased government control over our personal lives. For some reason, not everyone shares my skepticism.

 

Evading the issue of corporations orchestrating treason in collusion with governments IS NOT APPRECIATED.

I've brought up how false advertising laws were only needed because of their lies enabled by their having free speech rights.

You evaded that too.

The structure of business called a corporation has no needs. People do. Corporations confuse the issues of wants and needs for profit. See my sig.

 

This may come as a shock to you, we don't have a right to own a car, for instance. It is not a right: It is a privilege licensed by the state. There are many more examples of this kind of requisite control over your life. You do not have a right to electricity. It too is a privilege, in this instance, licensed by the providers. Pay them, and you have electricity. Don't pay them, and they cut you off. You have far less control over your life that you believe, and it isn't all because of "big government". In fact, much of it isn't because of government. And some of it is because there isn't adequate government. Life is more complex than you "big government" haters acknowledge.