"There will be no Israel in 25 years !" - Ayatollah, day after Obama secures deal

Call me uninformed but can someone tell me why we are making a "deal" with a country that hates us and calls us satan, that gives them $80billion+ and is a deal that has no benefit to us at all?

 

What did you want Obama to do ? Give a bunch of protesting twenty somethings M-16s so they could get mauled by Iranian special forces ? You offer no viable solutions.

 

We get no benefit out of reducing Iran's uranium stockpile by 99%?

 

Whut?

..."international inspectors have reported that Tehran’s stockpile of nuclear fuel increased about 20 percent over the last 18 months of negotiations, partially undercutting the Obama administration’s contention that the Iranian program had been “frozen” during that period"

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/02/w...tockpile-grows-complicating-negotiations.html

 

Air strike their facilities.

 

Very simple. Israel should say, if we go, so do you.

 

And the agreement is for them to turn over 99% of their stockpile to the IAEA.

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That's already their unstated policy.

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Then the Russians sell them advanced SAMs and they rebuild their facilities while turning Hizballah loose against the Western world.

 

So... Iranians already did not honor interim agreement during negotiations, but the new agreement they will?

One of us must be a good intentioned Liberal, and it's ain't me

 

how much of that could be replaced with the $80billion+?

 

No other country on the planet gets as much attention and consideration from Americans as Israel does. These people need to decide where their real loyalty lies.

 

I'm damn sick and tired of sinking money into the Middle East. We give them tons and get nothing in return. I say we pull out and let them defend their own country. We have interfered for way too long and it has cost us so much.

Question for some of you- if the US ever got invaded, how would Israel ever help us? Seriously, they could not do one damn thing. They would sit and watch it happen.

Why? Because they are a tiny little place that could never help us if we needed them.

 

LMAO...Total biblical ignorance on display there, j.
God supposedly told the Jews to exterminate all the non-Jews in the land they were occupying several times.

The list is nearly endless.

 

In order to have the sanctions lifted they will have to comply. That's the entire point of the deal.

 

I can describe their thought process with an analogy.
I have a long fingernail but I don't have any fingernail clippers, and biting them works but not well, I have to do something, I know, Ill cut the finger off.

 

This is actually based upon demographic projections that establish that the non-Jewish citizens of Israel will outnumber the Jewish citizens in the future and when that happens Israel will cease to be a "Jewish" nation.

Of course Zionism has alwasy been repulsive to anyone that believes that "all men (people) are created equal" because it represents the tyrannical imposition of Jewish Supremacy which, from an ideological standpoint, is no different than Nazism that was based upon White (Aryan) Supremacy that was also imposed by the tyrannical use of force. Of course Khamenei seems to ignore that the Islamic nations are just as tyrannical as Israel or Germany under the Nazis because it imposes Muslim Supremacy upon the people by the tyrannical use of force.

Any nation based upon race, religion, ethnic heritage, gender, social status, or other invidious criteria is inherently tyrannical and is the "enemy" of the American political ideology.

 

Bruh, we said the same thing about the Nazi regime, but Germany, and Germans, still exist.
Hell, we've been hoping the same thing about Obama and democrats....

 

Nazi Germany only existed between 1933 to 1945 and no longer exists today. That did not rid the world of Nazis anymore than the civil rights legislation in the United States during the 1960's which failed ended racism in the United States but formally the government based upon racism no longer exists (but still exists in practice).

This amuses me because it's like Obamacare. Republicans condemn Obamacare but have been unable to offer anything better than Obamacare. I'm not an Obama fan but Republican adminstrations since 2008 would have been arguably worse for America. Obama was the "lesser of two evils" in 2008 and 2012 which is why he was elected. It wasn't that Obama was a "good choice" for Americans but instead that he was a "better choice" than the Republican candidates.

 

So, they'll get their money and stop complying. Or, they'll pretend to comply.

Is the Iranian way.

 

The sanctions worked. Obama made them work.

They weren't working under Bush because nobody trusted him or the arrogant fools he surrounded himself with, so Bush's sanction were US only. Iran continued to trade with practically everybody else.

When Obama became President, he got the EU, the Russians and the Chinese to observe the sanctions.

That's why the sanctions worked, and that why there's a deal.

Donald Trump is not an elected official, and all he has done is bluster and yell nonsense (which is his act).

The rest of the GOP has offered nothing.


It's very clear from their behavior that their primary interest is not stability in the region, but in using the deal as a way to try and pry Jewish votes away from Democrats.

Evidently, you seem to think this is all occuring in some sort of vacuum in which the US is the only nation on earth. There are actually six signatories to this deal besides Iran, so the idiotic idea that has been floated by many that there is some sort of "better deal" to be made is a fantasy.

 

I do not know if the Iran deal is good or bad. It is one of these things one can only speculate on, but time will tell. There can be no doubt that most Arab countries and Iran would like nothing better than to do away with Israel. I think you may have something about us backing Israel less and less as time goes by. Not from a stand point of weakness in our military, but in economic weakness and our rising debt. Then too in the past we use to be a much more religious country and that also give most of us the idea and need to protect Israel. We'll see as time goes by.

 

"Netanyahu's Losing Streak Shows No Sign of Ending
A look at the prime minister's career shows one strategic defeat after another, so his loss to President Obama over Iran should not come as a surprise."
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.674798
Zionists have spent a century transforming Palestine from a territory with an overwhelming Arab majority into a Jewish state. The sooner the Zionist regime vanishes from the page of time, the better.

 

The obvious problem Is that if the sanctions were actually working to keep Iran from developing a bomb. ( requires of course assuming Iran is developing a bomb for which no evidence has ever been supplied) then The US and the other countries would have had no need for negotiations and Isreal would have had nothing to fear.

You can't have It both ways. Either the sanctions were working so there was no need for negotiations. Or the sanctions were not working and the negotiation had to happen and be Sucessful to prevent Iran from developing the bomb. .

 

“Israel today concentrates the genius of the Jews. Obscured by the prevalent media narrative of the “war-torn” Middle East, Israel’s rarely-celebrated feats of commercial, scientific, and technological creativity climax the Jews’ twentieth-century saga of triumph over tragedy. Today tiny Israel, with its population of 7.23 million, five and one-half million Jewish, is second only the United States in technological contributions. In per capita innovation, Israel dwarfs all nations. The forces of civilization in the world continue to feed upon the intellectual wealth epitomized by Israel.

Today in the Middle East, Israeli wealth looms palpably and portentously over the middens of Arab poverty. But dwarfing Israel’s own wealth is Israel’s contribution to the world economy, stemming from Israeli creativity and entrepreneurial innovation. Israel’s technical and scientific gifts to global progress loom with similar majesty over all others’ contributions with the sole exception of the United States.”

Excerpt From: Gilder, George. “The Israel Test.” Encounter Books, 2012.

And you call THIS a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing losing streak?

Why do you want to deprive the world of the smartest, the brightest, the most creative and entrepreneurial and replace them with another bunch of goat herders and olive growers? Ah yes, the ever present envy...

 

The GOP plan is the imaginary better deal. Impossible to disprove but equally impossible to believe. But fundamentally an extension of the GOP plan on every issue- do nothing, criticize anyone who actually does something, and hope the American people are too stupid to notice.

 

Sadly, Donald Trump is making that work.