Impossible to re-establish a solid middle class in the USA...

I think the point is that a business owner owns the business, and the employee doesn't.

Does an employee who has merely worked for a salary have anything invested in the business? Nope.

 

Employees are compensated for the service they provide. If they are unhappy with the money they earn, they should consider going into a different business.

 

Sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn't. Let's leave that decision up to the people involved in that particular transaction, shall we?

 

I don't see the underlying issue. If one is unsatisfied with the revenue he earns by providing service A, then he should find another line of business.

 

That's the same argument that people use whenever feminists try to say that women are being underpaid. Hey, if you think there's a goldmine in them hills, then have at it! Employ all of those underpaid workers and make some money.

The reason why this isn't working in the real world is that they really aren't being underpaid. Neither the minimum wagers or the women. There is no gold in them thar hills. Just a lot of hot air.

 

I see. So people don't feel that they are being compensated adequately for the service they provide. Then why don't they provide a more remunerative service, or find other customers for their service?

 

You didn't mention the government employing these guys. Isn't the government debt big enough as it is? And you want to add more people to the government dole?

Sorry, but what you're trying to do is create an employment bubble, which the government has done enough of as it is. You need to fire at least half of those overpaid civil servants they've got now which would mean their salaries don't have to be paid with taxes/inflation. That gives people more money to invest in businesses which will hire them.

 

I view all government officials as being on the dole. Without me paying taxes, they don't get a salary. Their entire business (i.e. the government) is a losing proposition as far as making a profit goes. The only way I can pay taxes that pay their salaries is if I make a profit. Then I turn around and hand it off to some government desk jockey so he can throw it away on some stupid government program that does the exact opposite of what the program is supposed to achieve?

That said, I think your idea could be useful for paying for prisoners. All of those guys sitting around in prisons coming up with new ways for the fresh fish to toss a salad are being wasted! Put those guys to work building their own prison! They can grow their own food, pay for their own guards, and put a bunch of exercise bicycles mounted to electrical generators on each cell block just in case the guards need some light to do a head count.

Well as long as they don't do what the government normally does, which is to make it illegal for anybody to compete with them, than sure. Hire all those guys down at the park eating free sandwiches they got from the religious people and put them to work, if they want, making stuff.

I have no idea what you could get them to do, and nobody else does either, which is why they're unemployed. But if you can figure that one out, and make sure that none of the expenses get shlepped off on Joe Taxpayer, then sure.

 

Yes, this is known. Land, labor, and capital. The factors or production.

Many businesses rely almost entirely on one's labor. Some require only minimal other factors. If a person is unsatisfied with the revenue he derives from his current activities, then he should probably think of going into a different line of business, one in which he will be more adequately compensated.

 

When limited available jobs also under compensate, its may not an option or an option that matters.

If there are better paying jobs available, they would be taken.

 

If being employed providing a particular service to a particular employer is not satisfactory, he could opt to provide a different service to that employer or some other employer. Or he could produce something of value and sell it to consumers, i.e. go into business for himself.

 

If true, so what?

Businesses.

Unions had a time and place, when the middle class shared in the prosperity they helped create.

It's time to stop pampering the rich, focus on our middle classes, and reverse trickle down.

 

Of course they do. If the company does poorly, the first ones to feel the pain are the workers who lose their jobs and money to provide for their families.

 

No they don't and can walk away any time they so please. Employees are an expense, when you are an expenses you are subject to being cut. Let me know when employees are required to mortgage their home to meet next weeks payroll, THAT is being invested in the business.

 

Who or what decides what is over or under compensation?

Then how come factory after factory I go to can't fill good paying jobs?

 

History

People can say anything on the internet.

 

I started working at 10 in my parents Take Out Restaurant. Sweeping, mopping, stocking the soda machines, baggin orders, working the Fryers, making dumplings and wontons.
My parents are from Mainland China, who barely spoke any English.
My Dad was in the store from 10 am til closing time which was 10 - 11 pm. We were open 7 days a week, 363 days a year. We closed for Thanksgiving Day and Christmas.
My brothers and sister had to postpone High School to help out at the restaurant. I was lucky to finish high school. Almost didn't go to College if not because I was a complete Nerd and got straight A's, got into AP Science/Math classes, getting Scholarship for University.
My brothers never went to College, my sister Completed her degree late.
My father never had to beg anyone for money. My brothers both own their businesses today, and are providing for their families.
I've never seen An Asian or a Latino with his hand out asking for spare change on the streets.
Every American city I've been to its been some White or Black hobo asking for a handout. I used to give to these people, but I'm tired of helping these deadbeats.

 

So what? The pain of the unemployed is not connected to a previous employer. The last job I got fired from from was the opposite. The place went out of business and the owners were out a ton. I went from that job, straight into the one I have kept for the last two decades.

If this place goes under, I'm stuck with looking for a new job, but it's not like anybody is owed anything. I can, and might, walk away from this job if I get a better offer. They can, and hopefully won't fire me to get a better employer.

It's a mutual agreement that works to the benefit of both. Nobody is owed anything, and nobody's pain is the responsibility of the other.