Putin - Erdogan Practically Declared War On Russia

You know that russia sent in their s400?


How Russia’s S-400 makes the F-35 obsolete

It’s not often that a relatively inexpensive air defence weapon is able to make a trillion dollar fighter programme obsolete. But the $500 million S-400 missile system has done precisely that to America’s brand new F-35 stealth fighter.

In November 2014 Moscow and Beijing inked a $3 billion agreement for the supply of six battalions of S-400 anti-aircraft/anti-missile systems that will significantly boost China’s air defence capability against the US and its allies in the Western Pacific.

With a tracking range of 600 km and the ability to hit targets 400 km away at a blistering speed of 17,000 km an hour – faster than any existing aircraft–the S-400 is a truly scary weapon if you are facing its business end.First deployed by Russia in 2010, each S-400 battalion has eight launchers, a control centre, radar and 16 missiles available as reloads.

Unlike the overhyped US Patriot missile that turned out to be a dud in battle, the S-400 was designed to create the daddy of Iron Domes. “Given its extremely long range and effective electronic warfare capabilities, the S-400 is a game-changing system that challenges current military capabilities at the operational level of war,” Paul Giarra, president, Global Strategies and Transformation, told Defense News. The S-400 will have the “effect of turning a defensive system into an offensive system, and extend China’s A2/AD (anti-access/area-denial) umbrella over the territory of American allies and the high seas.”

But first a bit of background. The S-400 was developed to defend Russian air space and a few hundred kilometers further against missiles and aircraft of all types, including stealth. Because it is a highly potent and accurate weapon that can tip the balance of power in any war theatre, Moscow has long resisted the temptation of exporting even its older iteration, the S-300, to troubled allies Syria and Iran.

An S-300 missile fired from, say, Damascus will blow away an aircraft over central Tel Aviv in about 107 seconds, giving the Israelis just enough time to say their prayers. It is precisely because the S-series missile systems can so dramatically upset the military balance that Israel has pressured Russia against introducing it into the Middle East tinderbox. Israel has also warned it would go after Syrian S-300 batteries with everything it’s got.

However, China’s case is different because the chances of another country daring to take a shot at the Chinese are next to zero. This development is really bad news for the F-35.

 

If the US attacks on Russia, it means all foregone conclusion. We will fight. And may the best man win. Russian are not afraid of death. We know - if we die in the battle, we will get Valhalla. Especially given the fact that life after a nuclear war will be worse than death.

 

Good analysis.

 

I believe the downward turn of the US l started in 1963 the year Kennedy was assassinated. I think that was the year prayers were taken out of the schools, and from then on everything in the US went downhill.

 

This SAM does not make the F-35 'obsolete.'

The cruise missile DOES make Israel strategically finished, already.

Idiot Americans can speed the demise, as sure as Tom is the star, of MI to the nth.

 

Sorry, but if you would know how NATO works you will see by your own that this is wrong.
The attacked NATO member is the key element in all following processes. This member can but must not ask for help ... as well if he asks he can send detailed request from whom and with what and as well how he wants help. If he did not ask for help, NATO goes "only" on high DEFCON to be prepared if the then local conflict becomes bigger or if the request comes later.
One good example for this was the British - Argentinian war for the Falkland Islands. Argentinia attacked the UK = NATO member and it became NOT a NATO war against Argentinaa due to fact that the UK didn't ask for ... and not as some trolls still tell because Falklands were so far away from Europe.

An all around attack on several NATO members is of course another story ...

 

Russians are Pagans and believe in Valhalla?

I thought they were Christians.

 

How does a highly mobile SAM platform that can track any targets including stealth, can detect targets at 600km, has range of 400km and and the speeds of 17,000km an hour not make F35 obsolete?

The number of simultaneously engaged targets (full cast WRU) 80[earlier in stage of development] was 36 (2012)

 

I wrote to you. Putin fair. But justice demands retribution. Turkey attacked Russia. Russia is obliged, in accordance with Article of the United Nations (Article 51. The right to self-defense) to bomb Turkey. (There is a precedent - Yugoslavia, Libya)
In addition, Russia has a right to compensation. In accordance with the UN Charter. So - Constantinople (Istanbul in Turkish), Straits (Bosporus and Dardanelles) should become part of Russia. It's obvious.
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Sorry ... but never underestimate the Russian fighters snd Air defence. Also ... remember how easy the Syrians have for example in 2012 shot down with somehow older equipment a Turkish F-16.

 

Russian - Orthodox Christians. But, as we know, we all have a little heathens. Regardless of the faith. Furthermore, Orthodoxy directly obliges the believer to defend Russia, not afraid of death and, if necessary, die with a smile and gratitude for the opportunity to die in fighting for Russia.
In Russia, there were a lot of soldiers-monks of the Orthodox faith. Also a lot of the holy warriors of the Orthodox faith.
For example depicted on the emblem of Moscow holy warrior - George-Winner.

 

You can also remember how Yugoslavia old Russian rocket 50s. was shot down US aircraft invisible

 

Correct ... but this was not due to sort of old missile but due to sort of older radar tracking and guiding system.
The F-117 sort of mission flown here was too convinced in Stealth and they forgot bloody learned experiences in Vietnam ... learned by USN and USMC A-6 Intruders which learned so good to become mastership. But the F-117 is USAF and maybe they don't talk together ...

 

Russia just dealt a huge blow to Turkey over its downing of a Russian warplane.....



Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov announced on Friday that Russia would be suspending its visa-free travel agreement with Turkey, in light of Turkey's decision to shoot down a Russian warplane earlier this week.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov announced on Friday that Russia would be suspending its visa-free travel agreement with Turkey, in light of Turkey's decision to shoot down a Russian warplane earlier this week.

Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev called the act "criminal," announcing on Thursday that Russia would place wide-ranging sanctions on "foodstuffs, labor, and services from Turkish companies" in Russia.

The sanctions "could bite into more than $30 billion in trade ties between the two countries, as police here began seizing Turkish products and deporting Turkish businessmen," Andrew Roth, The Washington Post's Moscow correspondent, wrote on Thursday with Karla Adam.....snip~

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/russia-just-dealt-huge-blow-164949490.html


Is Putin saying, money can't buy ya luv?

 

more Russians go to Turkey, than Turks to Russia.

 

Turkey is not breaking the treaty if Russia uses force on them....and they are not as harmless as the usual Russian target. Their army is large than the Russian one and Russia would need to find a route to turkey through un-involved 3rd countries and Turkey is in NATO...

Now add in the fact that neither nation has been in any sort of a real war in half a century and both come up as 'who knows'...

 

Looks like Putin says the apology is worth 30 billion, huh?

 

You overestimate Russia, a mere remnant of a great power with a few thousand missiles that, all fired at Turkey, would not change the Strategic situation at all...Turkey is a big country well able to defend itself. What happens if Russia does fire every single missile it has at Turkey? Then what? They cannot invade and Turkey could take a big dent out of Russia's air force...They close the entrance to the Back sea and Russia's fleet is neutralized. Jam the missiles in Syria and then destroy the launchers...

I am not saying the fight would be certain but I am saying that the Russians do not do very well when their enemies shoot back.

 

That is an opinion piece on a board run by economists...it may well be right but I sort of doubt it. The Russians are not noted for their ability in the field.

 

Yes they are. They are forerunners

 

Another opinion piece....the weapons system has never been used in combat and its launchers would be dust after the first engagement.

 

S400 systems alone can lock down any airspace and make it impenetrable. That is a fact. It's also fact that s400 is the best SAM system in the world.

 

nothing in the atmosphere flies at 17,000km per hour...even 4700 would be marginal.

 

when? They have not been involved in a war with anyone even having sufficient WWII weapons. Their elite forces are pretty good but their average foot soldier is just a walking bullet trap no better trained and equipped than the Turks, who would be fighting at home. The Russian ability to project force is laughable. The NYC police force would have move luck trying to invade England.
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As proven by their amazing results in the war with.....ah....maybe...darn no one. The weapons may be very good but they are also very vulnerable to attack, as all defense weapons are.

 

Says who? Russian Sam sure can.


Max target speed 4.8 kilometres per second (17,000 km/h; 11,000 mph; Mach 14)

Target detection distance (km) 600
Range of aerodynamic target (km)
maximum 400
minimum 2


Altitude limits for aerodynamic target (2015, km)
maximum 27, up to56km
minimum 0.005


Range of tactical ballistic targets (km)
maximum 60
minimum 5


The number of simultaneously engaged targets (full cast WRU)80 earlier in stage of development was 36 (2012)

The number of simultaneously guided missiles (full cast give target designation) 160


Any website that is talkin about s400 will say the same.

You are wrong.

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Attack by who? Ground forces? That is the only possible way. BUT what good will the ground forces do if no aircraft can support it?