Trump calls for 'complete shutdown' on Muslims entering US

And this stopped God from punishing man? I would have wiped them out.

I send my kid to your house to tutor your kid and you crucify him ? Would that not (*)(*)(*)(*) you off more?

 

No, it doesn't take faith. I don't know why you keep trying to push this on me when I clearly have told you again and again that I don't buy that argument. I went to both a Lutheran and Mennonite church, and for most of my childhood and adolescence.

 

Ugh you just don't get it. Jesus was all about turning the other cheek while God was about smacking you around when you messed up. That's why we have the old and new testament.

They're both part of the holy trinity but they are not the same. Jesus had one moment of violence while God had many.

 

Well then you have little faith instead of none. There may have been a Jesus but there is no definitive proof. I also tend to believe there was but thats from my Catholic upbringing I imagine. You believe the story of Sodom and Gomorrah ? If so you are as superstitious as the rest.

 

Maybe that's why we have Obama

 

And yet you're unable to explain what I don't get. Funny how that works. Yes, God sent his "son", who was also God somehow, to rectify his own divine plan. What that has to do with the relationship between God and Jesus, I have no clue.

 

Now thats a better explanation. Islam says Jesus was wrong and to go back to the angry god.

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Nice to see you finally admit it.

 

No, I don't believe in that story. The only reason I believe Jesus existed was based on evidence. Has nothing to do with faith.

Nice to admit that OMC's sidebar had nothing to do with what we were talking about? Gee, thanks.

 

Sooooo, you're basically saying peeps re-wrote even the Bible to suit their jaded agenda even wayyyyyyyy back then? *gasp* Say it ain't so, my brotha!!!

(Watch how many THIS upsets.)

 

Exactly, you have no clue but you're acting like you have it all figured out.

The being that showered sodom and Gamorroh with fire is not the same being that was friends with a prostitute.

 

Which explains why Muslims countries are time warped to the Old Testament.

If Jesus was the God of the Old Testament and we followed Him we'd be chopping off heads and hands too.

 

If you don't believe that Jesus is the same being as Yahweh, then you have an uphill battle against basically all of Christendom.

 

Is Trump really that far off the mark with his comment? Or is it something we all know, yet dont dare say in the PC America of today.

Heres an interesting story. Yeah, I know...infowars blah blah blah...but anyway, here it is. Seems someones figured it out.

http://www.infowars.com/islamic-terrorism-why-there-is-none-in-japan/

Maybe Trump has something here, seems to be working for Japan.

 

You're hung up on this idea of "same" because you want to pin the Old Testament on Jesus.

You're not going to convince Christendom that you're right. Take us as a small example.

 

He's been doing as little as possible to convince his supporters that he is destroying, degrading and containing ISIS. The continued existence of IS's caliphate, it's expansion into Libya and other countries, and the attack in Paris are evidence of the abject failure of his token response to ISIS.

I thought you said he was already acting?

The fact is, Obama didn't need Congress to bomb Libya and he doesn't need it now. Furthermore, he could have an AUMF that gives him what he needs to destroy ISIS but he never submitted such an AUMF to Congress and the members of his own party would oppose it if he had.

I'm not the one who is confused here. To destroy ISIS you destroy it. You don't sit there and wring your hands over their narratives, which as I pointed out earlier, most Muslims ignore anyway.

Again, I'm not the one who is confused here.

I have my own suggestions about how to destroy ISIS and people in Washington have already presented them to the so-called Commander in Chief, but it's not up to me or them to develop and implement a strategy to destroy ISIS and the tactics to accomplish it. That is Barack Obama's job, and it's clear that he has yet to develop and implement such a strategy.

Why don't you ask HIM what his strategy is, besides kicking the can down the road?

 

Trump is a pompous (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)bag blowhard.

I've posted the article about japan before. But in the spirit of equality, outlawing proselytizing should be done for ALL religions. The Army of God, LRA, KKK and Aryan Nations are all christian (proclaimed) groups of terrorists. Get rid of all these brainwashing ideologies and we'll see humanity flourish. It's personal so keep it that way. Not on the streets demonstrating, or out at abortion clinics - you have the right to exercise your religion personally, and that's where it ends. No more influx of any theocratic nonsense into public policy, and you have my vote.

Do what Trump says, and you're just a hypocrite, a biased moron with a big mouth.

 

I'll take Jesus' word when he said "I Am", over yours, thanks. And, you know, my Christian upbringing.

 

Despite opinions on Trump, it seems Japan is doing something very similar...and they arent having the problems the West is having. Even a "pompous blowhard" can sometimes give the right answer.

Now as for all religions, I disagree with this one size fits all mantra. "All religions" arent the ones out causing harm. Have we come to a time and place where we have tied our hands when it comes to analyzing and pinpointing threats?

No buddhists are out waging war on the World for example.

 

What you speak of is a gross misinterpretation of the Qur'an. One can just as easily make grossly mistaken decisions based on the Bible. We've long had Jews who think the Bible justifies their ethnic cleansing of a region documented to have once been taken by war by their forebears in ancient history, a gift from their god to which they still have continuing rights! Look at our own conquests which have been justified in part by our confidence, founded in the Bible, that what we do is right for the people who live in the regions where we make war.

Today, we have seen nothing that should be considered to have invalidated our freedom of religion.

And, we are focusing on religion, when there is little evidence that religion is at the root of this problem. If we fail to notice the actual roots, THAT will be serious.

 

Factual error: Obama submitted a proposed AUMF to congress in February and has lobbied congress to take action on that before and since then. Note that an AUMF does not have to start with the president.

Libya: If there is something we should do in Libya, please propose that.

Iraq: During the Bush administration we learned that even with a full compliment of combat troops we could not wipe out AQI without the help of the Sunni population in which they are embedded. So, there are two problems with your idea today. First, we don't have a full compliment of combat troops there, and the government isn't interested in that. Second, the Sunnis see little of value in supporting the US in this action, as they have little to no confidence that it will lead to security in their cities, political participation, or access to the civil service jobs that are so important in their economy.

Again, be specific about what you want us to do in Iraq.

Syria: See Iraq above. Plus, note the active participation of Russia, Iran, and other groups. And, then state what you want us to do in Syria.

It's easy for you to sit there spouting platitudes and claiming our plan isn't working fast enough.

So, take the next step and state what it is that you want us to do that we aren't already doing.

 

Reading comprehension error. I never stated that Obama didn't submit an AUMF to Congress.

It's easy for you to sit there and ignore the fact that BARACK OBAMA is responsible for developing and implementing a strategy to destroy ISIS instead of pandering to his ANSWERnik base, kicking the can down the road and hoping nothing worse than what happened in San Bernadino last week occurs before he lights out for the territories in January 2017.

It is as clear today as it was the day after James Foley was beheaded that Obama has no intention of developing and implementing a strategy to destroy ISIS. What's absurd is that on top of his willingness to kick the can down the road, he had the gall to limit the tools that his successor would have at his disposal in the AUMF that he submitted to Congress earlier this year.

 

You said:

So, WTF? Are you CLUELESS about this proposed AUMF?

And, your "limitations" complaint is just ridiculous. Congress can modify the proposed AUMF in ANY WAY it wants. So, if you don't like the limitations section (or just the word "enduring"), then change it. And, if they want to make the duration before reauthorization to be longer than 3 years, they certainly can do that, too.

Again, you are suggesting that there is a fast way to do this.

STATE WHAT THAT IS. I don't care if it is your idea. Please show a direction proposed by you, our military, a US politician, or by any prominent person from ANY NATION.

Or, go away.

I'm really tired of the whining.

 

Hatred exists lefties, and from all sides...get over it.

 

You seem to pick and choose what words of his to take and even put words in his mouth. No we have no idea of your christian upbringing other than claiming it.

 

Who are you or Obama to say what makes a true Muslim ? It seem millions of them go with the radical ideas or sympathize with them not like Christianity. Islam is the root of the problem.