If Islam is indeed from god, then shouldn't "moderate" Muslims crucify people?

You seem to think I "hate"....I don't, I love all people's and am upset when they are immoral.

In a sane world Muslims, say from America (the richest nation, able to help the most), would be LEADING the charge against ISIS!! We non-Muslims would sit back and proclaim "damn, CAIR is doing a bang up job of rounding up ISIS". And CAIR would put out a press statement: "We've abandoned deflecting criticism from Islam, like by smearing mere messengers like Robert Spencer, and are now focusing on changing the Islamic texts so that people won't use Islamic texts to commit atrocities in the future as much."

 

Then you'll have no question asking them this question: "do you love me enough to say a prayer to Allah for me asking Allah to change his ways, and allow me (assuming that I lead a very moral life), a non-Muslim, into Paradise, and avoid torture in hell?"

I think I've asked Margot that question before and she said "no", but hopefully people care for each other more and more and then more will be able to answer "yes". I look forward to that day.

I myself love you more than religious people do, so I answer "yes, if I prayed I'd certainly do that!" But they don't love you as much as I do, since they won't answer "yes" to that question. You seem to want to give people a pass, morally, and that's pretty disturbing.

 

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Everybody has been an intelectual Coward at least once in their life, you are a liar if you say you havn't. Does not make them evil just human.

So help them, if possibly. Does not make them evil makes them insane.

Kill them their evil.(probably)

Educate them, they are ignorant not evil.

Kill Them they are evil

 

Honestly, I think during WWII you'd morally defend the Nazis, I really do.
Doesn't defending immorality make that person, well, uh, immoral themselves?

 

Yes, show them Modern Secular Humanism, versus their (or any) religion.

 

Intellectual cowardice, you did not want to put the entire quote because it shows that people are not necessarily evil, you have other answers to your test.
I know it and you know it.

 

Did I say I was moral?
Total deflection you do not argue each point.

But you have avoided answering the question, MR Intellectual Coward.

 

Amazing arrogance, you think your little test will tell me more about someone than knowing them for years, what a bloody joke!

 

So you now accept they might not be evil but insane, and you think that Modern Secular Humanism can cure that insanity. You concede that my friend might not be evil. Thank You, good night.

 

Tell us those answers then, my friend.

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Insane and evil, yes.

 

You've been given a challenge to a major part of your world view right here, right now: ask your Muslim friends this question: "do you love me enough to say a prayer to Allah for me asking Allah to change his ways, and allow me (assuming that I lead a very moral life), a non-Muslim, into Paradise, and avoid torture in hell?"

Do you care about Muslims to ask them this question and start them on the road to recovery?

 

Well, er, you can't seem to condemn people who believe immoral things, such as a pedophile is the #1 role model of all time (like your Muslim friends likely believe), so uh, I'm not 100% convinced that you are terribly moral, I'm sorry to say.

 

If you actually thought they'd answer in the moral way you'd have said, instead: "ok FreedomSeeker, I KNOW my Muslim friends will answer the morally-correct way so I just CAN'T WAIT to ask them all this question to prove you wrong!" But strange, you didn't reply in that manner. I of course know why. You hold them to lower moral standards than I hold them to. You can improve on that, and the world will be a better place for that.

 

A liar as well, how moral are you.

 

I care enough not to waste 2 seconds of there time on your test.

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There you go again, telling people what they think.

Freedom Seeker go take a flying (*)(*)(*)(*) at the moon

 

I'm really pleased since you seem to understand nothing about life or morals or people, who was that religious person that hurt you so bad?

 

Here is a test for you freedom seeker, under what circumstances would you convert to Islam?

 

Court-room level of evidence that it's divine claims are true, such as "jinns" could be living in my nose, a flying winged horse is real, Mohammad is the most moral person ever, the sun sets in a muddy pond, Jews are indeed scum like the Islamic texts say, and that Islam is best for the world (and not Modern Secular Humanism). If Allah cares about us he'll provide said court-room level of evidence.

 

Why are you blaming ME, THE MERE MESSENGER, when the problem is that your Islamic friends are too uncaring, too immoral, to say "yes" to you asking them: "do you love me enough to say a prayer to Allah for me asking Allah to change his ways, and allow me (assuming that I lead a very moral life), a non-Muslim, into Paradise, and avoid torture in hell?"

I think you're frustrated that your image of them has been shattered by you realizing that they are not moral enough, and don't love you enough, to simply answer "yes" to that simple question. I myself will indeed answer "yes" to that question. I'm going to write down here right now what I'm honestly saying in real life right this second: "God, if you exist, please change your ways and allow RiaRaeb, a non-Muslim, into Paradise, and have him avoid torture in hell." See, it's not that hard. I appear to love you more than your Muslims friends likely do.

 

But you are not just the messenger, you are the silly little prick who thinks you judge someone better by the above question than knowing them for twenty odd years. Is there some part of (*)(*)(*)(*) off that is a mystery to you?

 

So let us summerise what we have learnt about Modern Secular Humanists if indeed the OP is a representative of such,

1. They condemn children and the ignorant as evil.
2. They think that morality is about what you say you think, not how you act.
3. They think that the best way to learn of someones intentions is by a test rather than how they act.
4. They lie.
5. They put words into other peoples mouths.
6. They are very aggressive in trying to get everyone to say what they say.
7. They are not really atheists but do not approve of some god's

Looks to me like all they can be like all other religions and ideologies.

Controlling, bullying, judgemental, arrogant, conceited and of course intellectually dishonest.

 

The fear grips you....the fear that he won't say "yes" to that question....which would blow your whole world view that religious people are as moral as Modern Secular Humanists are (hint: they are not.)

 

I could be wrong, maybe, just maybe, your Muslim friends will answer "yes" to that question, so why don't you just say that you'll ASK them and then get back to us? Seems quite reasonable, because we'll never know for sure until you do. What's the harm in asking? If they are reasonable like you claim then they won't have a problem with it and will answer "Yes, I'll say that prayer". Have more, uh, faith in people.

 

Actually, Jesus and pals are guilty of that, as Jesus condemned 4 villages to eternal hell-fire for not believing that his magic was real (Matthew 11:23, Luke 10:13-15.) Me, I'm more moral than Jesus was in doing that as I'd be more compassionate towards them - as would most moral people, for sure. Jesus was an extremist.

 

All religions are man-made attempts of indoctrinations; Islam is no exception.