The Muslims will stop trying to kill us when ______

i think this might be it. Doesnt matter which one, just not islam. We dont necessearily need to convert in the ME. We could leave that to be a free for all warzone where all the savages kill each other. (which is why we need energy independence) but we need to try and convert those who leave the area.

 

The Muslims will stop trying to kill us when the whole world agrees to worship like they do and gets on the prayer rugs while groveling to Mecca five times a day. Interested in what Islam is REALLY like toward "infidels"? Read what is written in their "holy book"! Link: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

The world has too many civilized, fairly well educated people in it to buy into all this Islamic crap, so, the "12th Mahdi", complete with his Blue Turban, will have to come and establish his caliphate and there will be a gigantic battle with "infidels" that will mark the End of the World, or some such fantastically insane bull(*)(*)(*)(*). It makes your head hurt to think that over a billion people could actually believe all this nonsense....

And yes, all religions have had a horribly violent period many hundreds of years ago -- even "peaceful" religions like Buddhism and Hinduism. Christianity and Judaism have had very violent pasts also -- long, LONG ago.

But in the 21st Century, one (ONE) religion distinguishes itself as being a completely psychopathic, insanely murderous, tyrannical center for monstrous behavior toward other people -- ISLAM! It needs to be completely removed from human experience....

 

Terrorism won't stop until the named groups end their mistreatment of Muslims.

 

Because they are so completely whacked out of their minds.

 

FAITH will also have to be a target in that war.....are Christians, Jews, Hindus, etc. willing to have faith itself (belief w/out evidence - being a good thing, they feel) attacked?

"12th Imam" is a Shiite concept. The dude is allegedly in hiding....and has been so for the last 11 centuries. (Yeah, I know - they don't think that the rules of science apply to their particular religion.) Equally as insane as "an invisible carpenter from Nazareth will come down to give me eternal life, if I just abandon science and reason and believe in his unscientific legend."

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It's OUR fault now, is it? Blame the victim, why don't you!

 

Wouldn't you kill if you were a convert to Islam in the West and a cartoonist satirised your religion?

 

I'd probably cry a little bit because the cartoon hurt my feeling about my favorite hero.

 

Terrorism itself will never end because it's an act of retaliation for oppression regardless of whether the oppression is real or perceived. There will always be some nut-case that will believe oppression exists when, in fact, it doesn't. Timothy McVeigh was a perfect example of a nut-case that believed oppression existed when it didn't.

What we can do is work to remove any "real oppression" but that has to address "every group" that oppresses another group. It can be a part of society oppressing a group (e.g. oppression of blacks or Muslims in America) or it can be the official oppression by a government (e.g. Israeli government oppression of non-Jews or Saudi oppression of women) but in all of these cases it's real oppression and that leads to a rationalization (not justification) for acts of terrorism.

 

I don't know about "the West" but not in the United States were we understand that everyone has the right to freedom of speech and expression protected by the First Amendment. Basically it wouldn't happen in America assuming the person was fully integrated into society which results in their adoption of our political ideology. Of course if we marginalize that person, excluding them from being integrated into our society, then we can't expect them to adopt our political ideology either because we'd be hypocrites.

 

Saudi Arabia is the second highest crude oil import to the United States and is also the second highest petrolium importer to the US. While Canada may be the highest, and Mexico the third highest, we still rely on OPEC countries for a lot of our oil.

Before you ask for a citation, http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/imports/companylevel/

 

I would definately agree that the Charlie Hebdo incident would not happen in the US because, despite popular belief, US media can somewhat self-censor. We are the biggest proponents of the First Amendment, but we know that theres a line you dont cross. Evidently French people do not. Also, i think it was kinda irresponsible of Charlie Hebdo to provoke a group known to have a violent reaction regarding their religion. For example, you wouldn't make fun of people at a Skrewdriver concert and expect to live to tell the tale. You know that they are violent racists and that if you say something they may kill you, so you dont go and say it. French people always say they dont care what happens and they'll stick it but then they get shot and the whole world along with France mourns their loss.

 

I can understand the fully integrated converts to Islam - including white converts - who kill or attempt to kill cartoonists or become terrorists.

 

I wish some honest Islamophobe would just quit dithering around and be straight with us and....


give us their detailed plan for killing over a billion people?

 

The roughly 1000 european converts to islam fighting or fought for Islamic State experienced severe oppression.

 

All religions teach the killing of certain groups of people.

No reason to single out islam as more barbaric than mainstream Christian denominations.

 

There is a difference demographically when we compare Islam in the United States and in Europe that many seem to ignore. We need to start with the fact that only 0.9% of Americans are Muslims and that out of those about 25% are African-Americans that generally have generational roots going back well over 100 years. Many Americans still have anti-Muslim prejudice (go to any Donald Trump rally to see it) but typically we only discriminate based upon appearance. So a Muslim in traditional dress is highly discriminated against while a Muslim man in a business suit typically isn't because they're not visually identifiable as a Muslim. Of course if they're "non-white" then they're subjected to racial discrimination but not to religious discrimination when it can't be visually identified. We can also note that about 70% of all non-African American Muslims in the United States are second generation so they grew up in America understanding our values and political ideology. We have a very small immigrant Muslim population in the United States. For example I've read that there have only been about 2,500 Syrian/Iraqi political refugees, a group that the xenophobes are deathly afraid of, fleeing from the ISIS terrorism allowed into the United States.

Europe has a much larger immigrant Muslim population as they flee from the oppression in the Middle East. Europe is much closer and easier to immigrate to than the United States because of our restrictive immigration laws that prevent many "non-WASPs" from immigrating to the United States (White Anglo-Saxon Protestants have never been subjected to US immigration restrictions). Additionally, because of the higher Muslim immigration to Europe from the Middle East the religious discrimination against them is far worse than in America. The immigrants are forced by social pressure into isolated enclaves where they're not being integrated into society.

Once again integration into the society is the best preventive measure when it comes to reducing the threat of Islamic terrorism within the country. The more integrated into the society the less likely a Muslim is to become radicalized. We saw that in the San Bernardino terrorist attack. It was the wife that had recently immigrated to the United States and had not been integrated into our society that was the real radical and she radicalized her husband convincing him to become a terrorist. The quicker we integrate the immigrant into our society the less of a threat they represent.

Europe is doubling down on excluding the Muslims from social integration and that creates a far greater threat for those countries. The problem for the US is that I see an increase in the number of people wanting to exclude Muslims from integration into our American society. That would be a move in the wrong direction.

 

Its not "Muslims".

Its Islamist extremist terrorists.

learn the difference.

 

That have the same Qur'an as the Muslims who empower them by not condemning Mohammad's Jihad-approving verses in their book. Stop giving Mohammad a pass. You act as if I'M worse than Mohammad (I'm not the one advancing magic, and Jihad, like Mohammad did.)

 

well, now that you mention it...

 

C. When we are all dead, including Muslims whose ideology varies a single iota from the other Muslims.

 

Well the Islamic texts do give "protection" (it's like the Mafia's "protection") to non-Muslims when those non-Muslims (per 9:29 etc.) are willing to accept low second-class status under their superior Muslim overlords. However, you are right that, as we are seeing around the world (the Iranian parliament attack being just the latest example), Muslims are incapable of not slaughtering EACH OTHER, so if Islam rules over our grandchildren (and it will if we don't stop it) in the future they won't be safe from the violence (and neither will our Muslim overlords) because Islam is just inherently violent.

 

Hehe, good one. I like your sense of humor.

But let me ask you, who is better, me (I love gays), or Mohammad (who said to kill gays)? On that one important ethical metric, Ronstar, who is better, me or Mohammad?

 

What would the Quran have to do with people who can't read? These terrorists are not theologians, they are blood thirsty killers. This has nothing to do with anything other than the sin of murder as a sport.

 

You don't seem to realize that they elevated a Muslim SCHOLAR (has his doctorate in Islam, IIRC) to the top levels of Islam - he's the Caliph in Islam (the head of the Caliphate):

 

Even if a Muslim can't read, the Qur'an is READ TO HIM.