More evidence that voter ID laws are meant for cheating

Oh man I've only got 24 months between elections to get a free ID. I'm SO disenfranchised. Pah-leez.

 

What does this have to do with voter suppression laws, and what does this have to do with the evidence I presented?

This has nothing to do with the thread.

If you examine voter suppression laws, you will discover that there are even more laws that restrict your ability to register.

Thanks! You just exposed the attitude of those not wanting minorities and others to vote.

To date, the number of illegal votes cast is almost non-existent. Therefore, you have nothing to compare to.

 

As a side note, one thing that is seldom mentioned is the use of ID laws to suppress the elderly vote.

Many elderly voters depend on write in ballots and most voter ID laws target this form of voting specifically. My mother, who is a dedicated conservative and hasn't voted democrat for over 50 years, spent nearly 3 months fighting to be allowed to vote. In her 80's and suffering from degenerative spine syndrome and debilitating arthritis she was forced to travel from one government office to the other to establish her existence. Several times her information was misplaced or discarded due to minor mistakes and she had to repeat several processes. She also had to pay for a new birth certificate since the one she was given at her birth is no longer acceptable.

The reason this group is targeted is that they do not vote for politicians that would like to do away with social security, which is a prime target for budget cuts.

My mother will still vote republican. But what she had to go through to do it is criminal.

 

Good it sounds like we agree. There is no real problem with a voter ID

I am a bit trouble by your racism pusher/instigator comment. I will give you a pass this time.

 

When you went to the doctors office with your ID, did you make the appointment days before you had the appointment? If so, good for you. Because, in some states, when you want to register to vote with lets say a driver's license photo or government ID, some states have reduced the early days of registering to vote. Which makes the ID useless. Some states even did away with same day registration altogether, rendering the ID useless once again. Some states moved their polling places into areas that are not accessible to minorities. They also limited the parking for those places. So, again, the ID is useless once again. Did you know that some states eliminated Sunday voting because minorities vote a lot on Sunday? So what good is the ID if you can't do that? It's once again, useless. Did you know that some states in certain districts decided to close the polls early in heavily minority areas? Guess what? That too makes the ID useless, and that is what Jim DeMint was talking about. It's not the ID. It's the suppression schemes that prevent minorities from voting while they actually have the ID.

 

yep, why do you think the dems want open borders? Primarily for the illegals voters and secondarily to keep the drug routes open so they can finish destroying the poor with heroin and mexican pharmaceuticals. They have pretty much destroyed the black communities and are steadily chipping away with the working class whites

 

Sure it is. While I disagree with her vote, she still is entitled to it. They try and paint the picture that it is all about the ID. LOl! But everybody knows that it is all about the suppression laws. The ID is just the front argument to slip in all these suppression laws. Which is exactly what DeMInt was talking about. And yes, they have no interest in making it easy for the elderly to vote either. It's all disgusting, and criminal as you say.

 

Wrong!

Wrong again! Trying to commandeer my message by substituting it with immaturity, is just your own sign of weakness to engage the facts I've already presented.

Please don't! I meant every word.

 

Fantastic. You just admitted that requiring ID is not a problem. Now we can all move on from your sophomoric opposition to ID laws. THANK YOU

 

Nothing in your responses to my questions indicated a problem with a voter ID card.

Granted there are those who are anti minority and feel threatened by them. That is sad fact.
Your attempt to inject racism into my comment is exposing a desire to push racism. Shame on you.

Laws that hinder voters are bad. Requiring folks to show they are who they claim is common sense.

 

LOl! If my thread was actually about having an ID, I would have never made a thread. The thread is not about having an ID. We had ID's before suppression laws. It's that we didn't have suppression laws in the past, and now we do, to go along with the ID. And those suppression laws are disguised as ID laws only. And of course, Jim DeMint made the big mistake in admitting those ID laws, which are nothing more than suppression laws, help Republicans win elections. And he's exactly right. The trouble is, he just admitted that the Republican party is cheating. So, thank you for your weak counter argument trying to pretend my argument is about having an ID, and thank you to Jim DeMint for exposing his party to cheating. Must make the party proud to know, that the way to a winning election for them, is by way of cheating.

 

That's because nothing in my thread is about voter ID cards. Your immaturity by directing the topic to something else has been noted. I find it interesting that others making a contribution here aren't playing silly games, and understand perfectly what I am talking about. This thread has never been about having an ID. We've always had to have some form of ID. It is about voter ID laws being turned into voter suppression laws to curb elections. Is there something there that is too hard for you to understand about that, or are games your best counter defense by pretending you don't understand?

 

My apology if i misinterpreted "More evidence that voter ID laws are meant for cheating" as having something to do with "ID" cards. I merely posted some questions that came to mind. I didn't intend to upset you.

Your non answers led me to believe that your issue is not with ID cards but with other forms of voter suppression. If that makes me dense or immature in your eyes then so be it.

It occurs to me that we are probably more on the same page here than not. Perhaps you have a more personal involvement in the issue than i and emotions have clouded your objectivity. That i completely understand.

 

An apology is not necessary, and I don't get upset. Willful attempts at hijacking a thread to me, is an admission of capitulation of the argument. However, if one chooses to understand and engage the argument I presented, then by all means proceed. Beyond that, you and I are just wasting our time here.

 

Wrong. They prevent cheating.
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Democrats launched filibusters every time the bill came up...
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Of course, they can't run busloads of "voters" from precinct to precinct with those pesky ID laws.
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Anyone who shows up to the polls without an ID can sign a form attesting they are who they say they are and recognizing that photo ID requirements are the law. The state would also pay for photo IDs and any birth certificate needed to obtain them...

The measure advanced to the governor on a 112-38 vote, more than enough to override a possible veto.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_ac2f8f3a-1a7a-5a8f-bba3-33ee7150223d.html

 

ID laws are meant to create voter suppression laws, which is cheating. I can repeat this, as long as you can ignore it chief.

 

Because, hey, nobody can be bothered with getting a free ID. Great Point!

 

Lol! You folks are so good at proving my point, which is why I started this thread. Thanks!

 

must be tough wondering when that knock on the door from ice will come?, could be today just saying....

 

I consider this post a distortion. If you click on the link DeMint is quoted "in states where they've instituted voter ID laws you've seen actually elections begin to change toward more conservative candidates"

That's a long way from DeMint saying it disabled valid eligible voters. Apparently it prevents dead people from voting, or people who've moved out of the state from voting, or toddlers from voting, or my pet hamster from voting,....Oh Wait! I want my pet hamster to have a vote!! Where would we PETA people be without our being able to press our loved one's paw on a voting machine??? .

 

Federal elections require ID proof. Supreme court has ruled state photo ID laws constitutional. Go argue with them.

 

An INS investigation in 1996 into alleged Motor Voter fraud in California's Forty-sixth Congressional District revealed that "4,023 illegal voters possibly cast ballots in the disputed election between Republican Robert Dornan and Democrat Loretta Sanchez." (p. 24)

Unfortunately, Fund does not provide an end note for that quotation, though he does for most others in the book. The 4,023 is a larger number than I have seen in other accounts, though I have seen claims that more than 2,000 non-citizens were registered to vote in the district. The authoritative Almanac of American Politics (1998 edition) says only that "it is possible that Dornan has a case", which is as far as I would go, too.

But the Almanac has more to say about how many of those non-citizens got on the rolls, and that part of the story is also instructive.

Dornan brought his case to the House Contested Elections Task Force, which in February 1997 issued many subpoenas and promised a hearing in Orange County. Dornan argued that there were 1,789 illegal voters, and by Spring 1997 came up with proof that 547 non-citizens voted in Orange County and that 303 ineligibles had been registered to vote in the 46th District by Hermandad Nacional Mexicana; this fell short of proving the result was wrong, but raised questions about the netherworld of voter registration in Orange County. California's registration laws make it easy to get anyone on the voter rolls (the accused assassin of Mexican presidential candidate Luis Donaldo Colosio was a registered Democrat in San Pedro), and the Clinton Administration INS made great efforts to process new citizens and dispensed with the usual check for criminal records if the FBI did not respond within sixty days.

Hermandad Nacional Mexicana was running an interesting operation in Orange County.

Moreover, Dornan's attorney, Michael Schroeder, claims the taxpayer-funded English and citizenship classes were being illegally used for political purposes. In addition to being taught verb conjugations and the fundamentals of the U.S. Constitution, students in Hermandad's classes were receiving political indoctrination and being registered to vote even if they didn't meet the legal requirements.

http://www.soundpolitics.com/archives/003321.html

 

Do you have proof of this stupid statement???

 

Illegal immigrants—along with other noncitizens without the right to vote—may pick the 2016 presidential winner. Thanks to the unique math undergirding the Electoral College, the mere presence of 11-12 million illegal immigrants and other noncitizens here legally may enable them to swing the election from Republicans to Democrats.

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Immigrants are mostly from socialist countries. They are predisposed to voting for socialists and the socialists are currently the Democrat party.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/27/why-immigrants-vote-for-democrats/

Thanks to the Constitution’s provision that House seats are apportioned to states based on the “whole number of persons in each state,” Electoral College membership (based on one elector per senator and one per representative) is skewed toward states that host a large number of illegal immigrants.

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Any more stupid questions?

 

Seeing that your own statement is a distortion, while voter impersonation fraud is virtually nonexistent, voter ID has nothing to do with helping conservatives in elections. It's the use of those same ID laws to push voter suppression laws that Jim DeMint is talking about. Voter ID has never been a problem. It's the front of voter ID laws used to push voter suppression laws. We've always had to show some sort of ID in the past, and that "some sort of ID" has always worked, evidenced by the fact that voter ID impersonation has never been a factor in deciding elections. You, as well as your buddies need to learn the difference.

Ah yes, it always comes down to just another silly counter argument of Hampsters voting, when they really don't. Dude, these are dried up arguments that do not associate themselves with reality. If you want to engage in a grown up argument, do try and come prepared next time.