Do Progressives enable Transgender Suicides?

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  1. BestViewedWithCable

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    Johns Hopkins psychiatrist drops TRUTH BOMB about transgenders

    It is simply amazing how such a tiny minority in our country….just three tenths of a percent…has forced a national debate about whether the public bathroom they visit should or should not match the gender of their plumbing.

    The entire notion of gender is being questioned. It is now “bigoted” to believe we live in a “gender-binary” world. The idea that humans come in only two flavors: male and female, is seen as outdated, old-fashioned, antiquated and just plain mean.

    Now we must accept “gender fluidity.” Children as young as four are being encouraged to choose their gender identity, as if it were a Halloween costume.

    And according to a noted psychiatrist, that’s just about right.

    As CNS News reports, Dr. Paul R. McHugh, the Distinguished Service Professor of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins University and former psychiatrist–in-chief for Johns Hopkins Hospital, who has studied transgendered people for 40 years, said it is a scientific fact that “transgendered men do not become women, nor do transgendered women become men.

    All such people, he explained in an article for The Witherspoon Institute, “become feminized men or masculinized women, counterfeits or impersonators of the sex with which they ‘identify.’”

    Dr. McHugh, who was psychiatrist-in-chief at Johns Hopkins Hospital for 26 years, the medical institute that had initially pioneered sex-change surgery – and later ceased the practice – stressed that the cultural meme, or idea that “one’s sex is fluid and a matter of choice” is extremely damaging, especially to young people.

    Now this will REALLY whip liberals into a frenzy, but Dr. McHugh says those who wish to change their gender suffer from a psychiatric condition, not an accident of birth.

    Gender dysphoria—the official psychiatric term for feeling oneself to be of the opposite sex—belongs in the family of similarly disordered assumptions about the body, such as anorexia nervosa and body dysmorphic disorder,” said McHugh.

    “Its treatment should not be directed at the body as with surgery and hormones any more than one treats obesity-fearing anorexic patients with liposuction,” he said.

    Perhaps the most tragic part of this new trend is the consequence. After the immense pain and hardship of transitioning, a high percentage of transgendered individuals eventually take their own lives.

    When “the tumult and shouting dies,” McHugh continued, “it proves not easy nor wise to live in a counterfeit sexual garb. The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people—extending over 30 years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered—documents their lifelong mental unrest.”

    “Ten to 15 years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers,” said McHugh.

    I will probably get hammered by our liberal readers for apparently “trivializing” this issue, but here I go anyway…

    When I was growing up in the ‘70’s there was a TV commercial for Chiffon margarine, which apparently tasted just like butter…but it’s not. The very last (and very famous) line from the commercial was “It’s not nice to fool Mother Nature.”

    Apparently that is still the case.

    .........................More at the Link..........................

    Are progressives doing more harm than good?

    If the "treatment" makes you want to kill yourself, is it actually a treatment?

    What do you think?
     
  2. Think for myself

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    Important to note the editorial is based on a news story forma source that is anti gay, ant trans, pro Christian cult with a long history of being untruthful, all in my wise opinion.

    I woudl take the interpretation of the actual event with a large grain of salt.
     
  3. BestViewedWithCable

    BestViewedWithCable Well-Known Member

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    Do you have a link or something that proves the increase in suicide rates are related to something other then their genital destroying surgery?
     
  4. Daniel Light

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    Do you have a link which proves that those individuals who committed suicide would not have done so without the surgery? No?

    And it does appear that this research is for cases from over 30 years ago - much has changed in both the surgery and
    the public acceptance of individuals who have had it.

    But I think much more research needs to be conducted on this issue, and the results of this and other much more recent studies presented
    to those who may be seeking the surgery.

    As to "progressive enabling ...?" that's conjecture on your part. It would be like blaming all conservatives for enabling
    those individuals with Obama Derangement Syndrome, or creating a destructive sub-set of "John Wayne Identity Misplacement Syndrome"
    (people who disregard their own family health and well-being in order to collect more guns).
     
  5. Lesh

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    What a surprise.

    This turns out to be bull(*)(*)(*)(*)z

    http://www.transadvocate.com/worlds-experts-condemn-the-mchugh-hoax_n_13924.htm
     
  6. Think for myself

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  7. Daniel Light

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    I do think it was dishonest of you not to disclose that this study was from nearly 40 years ago and discounts any more recent
    studies and the improvements in said surgery and public acceptance of individuals who have had the surgery.
     
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    I've seen that before, but what I was not clear on, is what are "peers"?

    Are they folks of the same age and race, or are they folks with gender confusion that did NOT go through surgical re-assignment?
     
  9. Lesh

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    Not only that but the author of the study says that her results have been misinterpreted
     
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    Here's what se had to say about that

    Williams: Before I contacted you for this interview, were you aware of the way your work was being misrepresented?

    Dhejne: Yes! It’s very frustrating! I’ve even seen professors use my work to support ridiculous claims. I’ve often had to respond myself by commenting on articles, speaking with journalists, and talking about this problem at conferences. The Huffington Post wrote an article about the way my research is misrepresented.


    Do right wingers ever tire f lying?
     
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    Trump said "Caitlyn Jenner should use whatever bathroom she wants"....



    was he "enabling transgender suicides"???



    (Watch this, folks. :) )
     
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    The 2011 study referenced found an increase in suicide rates compared to the general population, it doesn't compare them to transsexuals who haven't had sexual reassignment surgery so there's no way to determine if the surgery itself is a factor. It only suggests that surgery is not a solution.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21364939/

    Also, Paul McHugh doesn't suggest that sex reassignment surgery is driving anyone to suicide. Only that it doesn't solve the problem.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120
     
  13. Daniel Light

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    So basically this entire thread is based on distortions, lies and misrepresentation of facts.

    What say thee, OP?
     
  14. BestViewedWithCable

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    No, your link to the progressive transadvocate website is an enabler, used to justify genital mutilation in mentally ill people.

    - - - Updated - - -

    No, they just desperately want people to believe mentally ill people should be allowed to mutilate their genitals.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Caitlynn Jenner hasnt mutilated his/her genitals yet.
     
  15. BestViewedWithCable

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    no, youre going to have to learn to actually do youre own research, before you go along believing those who enable mentally disturbed people.

    Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden

    Conclusions

    Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

    Mortality

    Table 2 describes the risks for selected outcomes during follow-up among sex-reassigned persons, compared to same-age controls of the same birth sex. Sex-reassigned transsexual persons of both genders had approximately a three times higher risk of all-cause mortality than controls, also after adjustment for covariates. Table 2 separately lists the outcomes depending on when sex reassignment was performed: during the period 1973-1988 or 1989–2003. Even though the overall mortality was increased across both time periods, it did not reach statistical significance for the period 1989–2003. The Kaplan-Meier curve (Figure 1) suggests that survival of transsexual persons started to diverge from that of matched controls after about 10 years of follow-up. The cause-specific mortality from suicide was much higher in sex-reassigned persons, compared to matched controls. Mortality due to cardiovascular disease was moderately increased among the sex-reassigned, whereas the numerically increased risk for malignancies was borderline statistically significant. The malignancies were lung cancer (N = 3), tongue cancer (N = 1), pharyngeal cancer (N = 1), pancreas cancer (N = 1), liver cancer (N = 1), and unknown origin (N = 1).

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    Gender reassignment surgery has been around awhile. In that sense, the politics are irrelevant to the procedure itself. I have corresponded a bit with a male to female trans that I first encountered on reddit. For them, the post-surgery hormones caused wild mood swings that they had never experienced before the surgery even when they had been on hormone therapy before the surgery. I don't really know the ins and outs of it, but I recall them saying they always knew the hormones would "betray" them. I never really pursued what they meant by that. Wish I had now.
     
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    “Its treatment should not be directed at the body as with surgery and hormones any more than one treats obesity-fearing anorexic patients with liposuction,” he said.
     
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    Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden

    Conclusions

    Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group.

    Mortality

    Table 2 describes the risks for selected outcomes during follow-up among sex-reassigned persons, compared to same-age controls of the same birth sex. Sex-reassigned transsexual persons of both genders had approximately a three times higher risk of all-cause mortality than controls, also after adjustment for covariates. Table 2 separately lists the outcomes depending on when sex reassignment was performed: during the period 1973-1988 or 1989–2003. Even though the overall mortality was increased across both time periods, it did not reach statistical significance for the period 1989–2003. The Kaplan-Meier curve (Figure 1) suggests that survival of transsexual persons started to diverge from that of matched controls after about 10 years of follow-up. The cause-specific mortality from suicide was much higher in sex-reassigned persons, compared to matched controls. Mortality due to cardiovascular disease was moderately increased among the sex-reassigned, whereas the numerically increased risk for malignancies was borderline statistically significant. The malignancies were lung cancer (N = 3), tongue cancer (N = 1), pharyngeal cancer (N = 1), pancreas cancer (N = 1), liver cancer (N = 1), and unknown origin (N = 1).
     
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    In a great many cases I would agree with that. I do, however, leave room in my thinking for those people who might have girl innards and boy outards or girl outards and boy innards.
     
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    You don't have to subscribe to the whole gender-spectrum thing, but some basic human decency and morality towards people and their lifestyles wouldn't hurt you. No one's making you change genders or anything. Why do you care so much about someone else's gender identity?
     
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    The prissy potty brigade has an especially difficult time demonizing the advocates for equality - especially when so much of society, across the political spectrum, embraces it as the societal norm.

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    Even pre-op the suicide rates are higher than normal.

    Liberalism is the ultimate mental disorder and they want everyone else to be just as miserable as they are.
     
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    Very true. Libs love to try and treat the symptom, but not get to the root cause of the problem. Trans-people are mentally unstable. Whether its transsexual, transracial, transgender, or what ever they claim, its a mental disorder where the left placates to the fantasies and delusions.
     
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    So...they actually did start acting like a woman?
     
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    And yet, your Beloved Leader seems fine with Caitlyn using the ladies room.......explain how Trump is "not enabling transgender suicides" by supporting his friend's choices???


    ((BTW, watching you flop around like a fish on a pier on this thread....BOTH trying to be anti-transgender AND still supporting Trump.....is going to be hilarious. :D ))
     

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