This is interesting but i have to disagree. If satan is capable of malice, jealousy and envy then he is the less powerful being and the " evil guy ". Because god is uncapable of such bad feelings, it is not his fault if satan became such but rather an unpredictable outcome. Of course god is NOT all knowing. If he knew it all from the beginning there would be no things like conflict and imperfections. So he may be all powerful ( still not provable ) but surely he doesn't know everything because even he can fail.
The point of interpretation is to come up with a rationale which makes sense of the Bible. You must have the wrong idea here, because what you say starts immediately to be contradicted by other ideas you also recognize. You have "invented," or accepted ideas of others, which try to make Lucifer a good guy, but "he" is in us all, male and female. Lucifer is just the Id Lucifer can dominate people who become subject to their own Pleasure Principle.
Sataniel gets a bad rap by Christianity. The only info we have on him is from Job in the OT. A bunch of Gods sons come to visit God (must be some kind of celebration) and Satan is among them. God talks to is son Satan, asks what he has been up to and then boasts about his servant Job. As many a son, Satan chides his Father with the obvious saying - Well of course he worships the ground you walk on Dad, you gave him everything ! Satan then throws down the gauntlet and says - take that stuff away and then see how good a servant this Job fellow is. God accepts his son's challenge (probably hoping for a teaching moment). He tells Satan to ruin Job's life but not to harm him personally. Satan reigns fire down from heaven and does other things - ruining Jobs property and killing his family. The story continues but, the point is not who wins the bet. The point is that Satan and his Father (God) have an amicable relationship and Satan does not act outside the will of his Father.
I think the huge problem is when folks assume they know something about God on the basis of stories and tales from the past. Which should be accepted as true ? Hindu Stories, Viking Stories, Greek Stories, Inca Stories, Israelite Stories, Sumerian Stories ? Do we accept stories from all of these people or just certain groups ? Then within these groups do we accept all of the stories from within that group or just certain ones ? This all get's very silly, very fast when one actually uses brain that God gave.
When we realize that Satan refers to the Libido,... as Maimonides said why back when,... then iit all makes sense.
What does that have to do with the fact God lost control of heaven and knowingly created an "evil" being like Lucifer?
God did not create an 'evil' being like Lucifer. Lucifer was the name given to the Christian interpretation of HaSatan. God created HaSatan (the Satan). He was a messenger of God, and his purpose was God given. He was to test mens faith in God - as he did with Job, and Jesus - who both passed the test. Satan was turned into an enemy of God by the misinterpretation of Jewish scriptures by Christianity. Lucifer was the term first used 800 centuries later by a Christian father. It appears no-where in the Jewish scriptures. The reference to 'star of the morning' in Isaiah was to a Babylonian Monarch. As per my previous posts, and that of another poster. I am agnostic.
He did? Everyone with freewill is capable of being evil. Lucifer was a Pagan king, long since eaten by the worms. There were evil Christian and Jewish Kings, why not Pagan as well?
Lucifer translates into morning star. A fallen star that supposed to symbolize satan. Do you not recall how lucien tried to temp Jesus in the bible? Or is that portion made up now? - - - Updated - - - God gave man free will. It says nothing of the angels Also, gods free will is not free. Because the whole notion of God (him being perfect and knowing everything) gives pushes free will aside and gives way to predeterminism God knew your name before you were born right? Even before your parents were born. He knows when you are sleeping he knows when your awake. He knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake. Or he will throw you into a giant lake of fire where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Even before you were born, god knew if you would except him or not and whether or not you will ultimately go to heaven or hell. Is that what you call free will? Its false free will as you don't know what the future holds. But God knows. And you will follow this predetermined path that God has already saw, even before you were born
Isaiah 45 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. King James Bible
Only one side of Lucifer is what causes men to act against the nature of the Reality that lies inside the psyche. Lucifer is a term used to describe the bad side of the "Id,"... (Pleasure Principle)... when it becomes dominate in the psyche.
Putting man next to a powerful super natural being that has the power to convince 1/3 of angels to follow him and blaming man for being decieved is like putting oily rags next to a fire and blaming the rags for igniting.
The "evil" that Reality creates for us is the force of Extinction. The rule is that all species MUST adapt to Reality,... or ultimately disappear.
Is that why God punished man for the original sin up to the time that Jesus arrived? Even now you must acknowledge that you are born with the sins that your ancestors have committed and except Jesus into your life to be saved. I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one shall come to father, but except through me
If a child does wrong you throw them into a lake of fire and torture them for all eternity? Matthew 13:42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 25:46 "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
You are correct on the facts. But the words used are ancient ways of saying that Hasatan means an evil direction in behavior, one which is Selfish. This is exactly what Jesus criticized by demanding that his followers be charitable. The selfish utilization of one's "Pleasure Principle" was what Isaiah meant. We are all "the only great star in heaven,"...as we all think we are"...
Hmmm,... True, that we are all born with the original sin of being necessarily selfish,... because we totally depended up dad and mom. But they wean us to degree, later. Nevertheless, they fail to remove the selfish thinking itself. Jesus said The Truth will reveal how we remain self centered. And, the Truth can sets us free on this too,... when we acknowledge and believe the truth.
Selfishness is a relic of a time where we needed it to survive. That time has long past. Yet humans can't seem to move past it.
Yes, and this is he very reason as groups form that we attack others, trying to take their possessions. We need to realize that we all need each other, as the Global Economy now demonstrates. We China manufacturing everything because they have the one single ingredient of Cheap Labor available to them. America has and can feed the world, because we still have land to do so. Arabia has the Oil. India has millions of people in textiles. On and on, the list shows that we all progress, and are better prepared for the future to come, as we work together, - - - Updated - - - ... don't forget that our great lord of the Truth was still inside there,... advising these "children" as they ignored his good and sound advice.
It's a literary work. Not to be taken literally . Cosmic comedy, in this virtual reality . Enjoy the show.
To the poor reader who doesn't comprehend what "god" is telling us,... yes, there you are right. But the two keys in the story lead us to understand that evolution is preparing man, mentally, during his "deep 'sleep.'" (Gen 2:21)
