The hypocrisy of those who support gay rights and feminism but won't criticize Islam.

But I do ignore it. That is my point.

 

The answer remains that you're asking us to assume facts not in evidence, in order to explain something that in our judgment is not actually the case.

Short enough for you? I can't explain to you "Why is this?", if I don't agree that "this is" is in the first place.

So no, don't expect a different answer to that ridiculous question, whose only real aim is to troll "feminists" and "LGBT activists".

 

You literally couldn't say that Muslims were more violent than Jews. You couldn't say it because it doesn't fit the liberal narrative of Israel is evil and the poor Palestinians are just innocent bystanders. You are an anti-semite. If you want to prove me wrong then simply say that Muslims commit more violence in the name of their religion than Jews, Christians, Bhuddists or any religion for that matter.

 

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I read your OP very closely & repeatedly & have posted it, above for clarity.

When I chose a source / expert”/ News outlet etc to either cite in a Post or decide its credibility, I try to determine its bias, agenda & expertise by learning about that source.

It is entirely your choice to be as anonymous as you like but in doing so, readers have only your choice of avatar & flags you chose to display and language you use to determine your motives or credibility

Since you chose not to share anything about yourself to readers of this Forum, we are left with only your words & choice of questions to determine your bias, agenda & motive.

There are subtle ways of supporting or attempting to influence a hostile sentiment & posing transparent & loaded questions is one of them.

No, you didn’t overtly declare: “Let’s all hate Muslims!” but simply stating, “...out of the blue” that those who don’t “...criticize Islam":

certainly casts anyone who doesn't chose to ".....criticize Islam" in a negative light & makes them in the eyes of many as "hatable"

What sort of person, especially one who has traveled extensively, knows Muslims well, is well informed and fair minded, feels immediately compelled to single out Islam to criticize when there are multi Million / Trillion dollar industries & hate groups already busily engendering anti Islamic sentiment / "criticism "?

What motivates you to jump on that overcrowded Bandwagon & encourage others to do the same?


Please remember that European Zionist Terrorist Gangs (Irgun, Stern Gang, Haganah etc) & the Western Colonial Powers has been over THERE exploiting, tormenting, manipulating & slaughtering THEM* since the Crusades, & up to the present day [1]


Why not pose the question:

"Why do the many 'Save the Children', 'Feed the Children' etc Groups spotlight suffering children everywhere but in Zionist Occupied, historic Palestine, [2], [3], suffering under a US subsidized Ethnic Cleansing society[4]?"

There is plenty of room on that, particular under crowded Bandwagon.


Before you single out Islam for special criticism, please consider the reality that no single Religion, race, nationality or Ethnic Group has a monopoly on either Good or Evil.




* Please remember the two quotes I cited:

“There was not a single act of Arab terrorism against Americans before 1968, when the U.S. became the chief supplier of military equipment and economic aid to Israel.”

"Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can't help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East."-- John Sheehan,








[1] “The crime of making Americans aware of their own history”
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com...-making-americans-aware-of-their-own-history/

EXCERPT "Is history getting too close for comfort for the fragile little American heart and mind? Their schools and their favorite media have done an excellent job of keeping them ignorant of what their favorite country has done to the rest of the world, but lately some discomforting points of view have managed to find their way into this well-defended American consciousness.

Then came the Islamic cleric, Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen, who for some time had been blaming US foreign policy in the Middle East as the cause of anti-American hatred and terrorist acts. So we killed him. Ron Paul and Tony Bennett can count themselves lucky.

What, then, is the basis of all this? What has the United States actually been doing in the Middle East in the recent past?
• the shooting down of two Libyan planes in 1981
• the bombing of Lebanon in 1983 and 1984
• the bombing of Libya in 1986
• the bombing and sinking of an Iranian ship in 1987
• the shooting down of an Iranian passenger plane in 1988
• the shooting down of two more Libyan planes in 1989
• the massive bombing of the Iraqi people in 1991
• the continuing bombings and draconian sanctions against Iraq for the next 12 years
• the bombing of Afghanistan and Sudan in 1998
• the habitual support of Israel despite the routine devastation and torture it inflicts upon the Palestinian people
• the habitual condemnation of Palestinian resistance to this
• the abduction of “suspected terrorists” from Muslim countries, such as Malaysia, Pakistan, Lebanon and Albania, who were then taken to places like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, where they were tortured
• the large military and hi-tech presence in Islam’s holiest land, Saudi Arabia, and elsewhere in the Persian Gulf region
• the support of numerous undemocratic, authoritarian Middle East governments from the Shah of Iran to Mubarak of Egypt to the Saudi royal family
• the invasion, bombing and occupation of Afghanistan, 2001 to the present, and Iraq, 2003 to the present
• the bombings and continuous firing of missiles to assassinate individuals in Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan, and Libya during the period of 2006-2011
It can’t be repeated or emphasized enough. The biggest lie of the “war on terrorism”, although weakening, is that the targets of America’s attacks have an irrational hatred of the United States and its way of life, based on religious and cultural misunderstandings and envy. The large body of evidence to the contrary includes a 2004 report from the Defense Science Board, “a Federal advisory committee established to provide independent advice to the Secretary of Defense.” The report states:
Muslims do not hate our freedom, but rather they hate our policies." CONTINUED




[2] “The Israeli Campaign To “Starve Palestinians Into Submission Is A Crime”
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-...alestinians-into-submission-is-a-crime-2011-6
EXCERPT “The blockade is keeping out food and medicine, and makes the Palestinians prisoners in their own country. It needs to end. That's not just me talking: that's the take of the U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights and many human rights organizations. Hell, even the British think the blockade is a cruelty that needs to end.” CONTINUED


[3] “Israel used 'calorie count' to limit Gaza food during blockade, critics claim”
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/17/israeli-military-calorie-limit-gaza



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Lets start with obama for one. Need more examples?

 

Exactly. So show us where someone who supports gay/trans rights and feminism also supports Islamic cultures that subjugate women and execute homosexuals.

I'll make it easier. Find one lefty on this whole forum that supports Saudi Arabia's treatment of women. Just one. Find one lefty on this whole forum that supports Saudi Arabia's treatment of gays. Just one.

 

You're going to be waiting a long, long time.

 

I've never even brought up Muslims or Jews, you silly lying troll

Why do you hate Jews? Why do you rabidly hate black people? Why do you hate Asians, women and Hispanics?

 

False.

I pointed out the specific problems in the analysis posed by that poster.

If you don't agree with those specific issues, then feel free to address that.

I did state that those errors form a pattern commonly fallen for by those who hate Islam. And, we need to recognize that and get over it. Allowing such motivations to enter into our analysis of national security concerns is a major mistake for which we will pay dearly. So, it is worth calling out and addressing directly - at least to the point of learning to recognize it.

 

Yet they have no problems (rightly) criticizing Christianity... and accuse you of being a racist (even Bill Maher) if you dare suggest that perhaps we ought to be looking at Muslims too. My post is less an indictment of Islam (which deserves indictment), and more of the progressive left who hypocritically pound on Christians while giving Muslims a pass for the same behaviors (if not worse, such as public executions of homosexuals in Muslim countries). So why would people who (rightly) criticize Christians for their homophobia, mysoginy, sexism, etc., refuse to apply the same scrutiny to the Islamic world? In my view it is because at the core of progressivism is the desire to destroy Western culture because it is seen as patriarchal and racist. Therefore, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and hey a bonus since the majority of Muslims happen to be non-white we can accuse Muslim detractors of racism too!

 

Point me to the posts of them criticizing Islam. Point me to any opinion piece or "news broadcast" of a progressive/leftist of any criticism of Islam. I can name one: BIll Maher. ANd he was excoriated by his leftist brethren for doing it. He obviously didn't get the memo.

 

These are your exact words: "Remember South Africa, ETA, Ireland, and other examples - which have no connection to the religion you hate."

You did not equivocate. You did not suggest that the poster in question may have "fallen for" some imagined logical errors as you now claim in your attempt to backpedal. You stated clearly and plainly that Islam is "the religion he hates."

Yet I can't find a single post anywhere by Mr. Swedish Guy where he states that he hates Islam. So you just made it up in a shameless attempt to discredit him and his position.

 

I can understand anyone believing that, including myself. But that may not be so.

We could all have a bias in expressing such a view. Even so, in the nation's overall history to include the present day... it isn't so much the reality that religious groups are what's being attacked. I will surely admit that in this era of information, the intolerance or prejudice of those who are religious is 'less' tolerated. Typically, intellectual reprisals come at the speed of light. In essence, those who the religious have stepped on, are fighting back (as well they should, considering the irrational animus emanating from particularly rabid followers of this/that religious sect).

After all, regardless of the labels any of us may apply to a certain group of people... they are indeed ALL human beings. In short, what goes around, comes around.

It may be, in my view. Or it can seem to be intellectually frustrating on anyone's part, who is participating here. That isn't predictable.

Sometimes an 'addition' isn't necessary. Still, anyone has the right to 'contribute' their view or reflection of what has been claimed or implied. That is reality.

Yes, any of this can be humorous. Still, it's pretty much the nature of human beings trying to discuss things. We surely won't see everything the same way and surely will not always agree.

 

That isn't any particular "narrative" which I've heard verified or substantiated. What are you talking about here?

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Exactly. The OP supports a faulty premise; not logical.

 

Yes. I believe he does hate that religion. I think his arguments have been consistently and totally illogical without there being an underlying assumption that goes beyond the facts of the matter to incorporating the preconceived notion Islam and terrorism are tied in a way that is unique to that religion - that the religion is the problem.

Is "hate" too strong? I don't think so. I find it legitimate to hate terrorism. But, using false logic to attempt to attach that hate to a major world wide religion that, in fact, also hates that same terrorism - sorry, that's not OK.

I called that out, because we need to recognize that argument form in order for our decisions not to be counter to our own US national security concerns. We simply can not afford that.

 

Bill Maher is the only one that seems to get it and understand what going on.

 

Then why weren't you just honest about your position?

Now you're equivocating.

Back to where we started. So you DO believe his motivation is hatred as I originally posited.

Now you've lost me.

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Maher and Dawkins. And both have been savagely excoriated by the progressive left intelligensia.

 

I said: "I called that out, because we need to recognize that argument form in order for our decisions not to be counter to our own US national security concerns. We simply can not afford that."

That seems pretty darn straight forward to me.

Bigotry, jingoism, xenophobia - these are all possible sources of major policy blunders. And, when it comes to our national security interests, we simply can not afford for our policy to be perverted by bad logic.

From there, maybe it's time for you to look at what I said about the logic mistakes being made rather than that one word you seem to object to.

 

I don't think he really gets it.

Let's remember that he's opposed to religion - not a particular religion.

So, in his chosen field of comedy he has scant motivation to worry about which religion is at fault for any of the various evils of the world.

He'd be the last guy to worry about whether ISIS is a faithful representation of Islam or whether ISIS is equally despised by the other 1.6 Billion Muslims.

I'm sure he would see the "troubles" in Ireland between Prods and Catholics as having one common thread - Christianity.

 

But his points about Islam are accurate. He talks about how the religion glorifies stoning women to death etc. He's the only one that talks about it on the left.

 

Well, first of all there is a huge difference between "glorifying" stoning and seeing it as being an honest rendition of justice as specified in the Bible.

We don't glorify instances of the death penalty in the US, either, although we do see them as legitimate in many states and at the federal level.

More importantly, the need for improvements in the rule of law in many countries in the world is well documented with the atrocities being severe. And, it even includes our allies. Yet, we have not labeled that as something that is a national security risk for the USA.

The emphasis on ISIS crimes is certainly legit, and it gets pointed out by all. Their tactics are criminal and I see no significant opposition to carrying out our legitimate processes of enforcement against them. We may disagree on whether we should invade, carpet bomb, or whatever, but that doesn't have to do with whether ISIS deserves to be prosecuted to the utmost.

But, attributing ISIS crimes to Muslims as a whole - that's a national security policy blunder. There is no justification for it, making it a moral and ethical mistake as well. And, we need our Muslim friends, so we pay for it when we make blunders such as this. Besides, our sales pitch includes legitimate rule of law, freedom, equality, etc. We undermine our whole sales pitch when we start treating citizens of other countries as if they are likely ISIS criminals based on zero factual evidence.

 

ISIS aren't the only people doing this. Saudi Arabia...Pakistan...the list goes on.

 

Really! I don't get it either. I get why political demigods do it, but the people that vote for them should see through that. Islam at least part of it is dark ages barbarism. Compared to them Westburough baptist church is a children's show. I absolutly think one side of or political structure is ignoring Islam while criticizing Christianity because of the fact that Christians are theists. Theists don't need a large government to regulate their lives, they have a church that does that. Many people have compared christian western culture to Islam. There is no comparison. Christian western culture, though sluggish moved to accept those that don't participate, where as Islam moves to convert or kill those that don't participate.

Now I don't agree with some Christians about same sex marriage. I don't think any government should respect their beliefs on that. But the same goes for islam.

 

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