Democrats Use Blacks Like Toilet Paper

Translation: I don't think black people are smart enough to understand things.

 

You don't know it yet, but you're one of the reasons is this one of the best threads this year!

 

There is nothing sad about the black community! Obama is black and right or wrong he will stand with his people. Political moves in the Democratic Party to tap into the injustice of the the world black people live in is to be expected. The bigger issue of good paying jobs is what people should be angry about. We should hold the democratic and republican parties responsible. There are many ways to bring jobs to the American people. I have seen first hand black people getting discouraged about working a backbreaking job for $10 an hr.

What you might be insinuating is the very same Democratic Party that says they will help blacks, only to end up running their lying mouths, because they have to satisfy a liberal agenda of socialism and government redistribution of wealth.

No, it's not sad at all. It's called communism. The Democratic Party walks a fine line of what is a communist society and what is a free society.

 

Aid to families with dependant children?? Haha. Thanks for the specific program you referred to. Insert sarcasm here.

 

Well, Keynes did advocate deficit spending, no doubt. But even if what you say is true, from the perspective of blacks, it still makes sense to reach out to Republicans because by doing so they would then be forcing the Democrats to do something. Right now, Democrats don't do anything because they know blacks don't have anywhere to go. That's why Bill Clinton threw them under the bus. It was a very shrewd political calculation on his part. In a way, I can't say I blame him. It worked.

Now let's look at it from another point of view. Actually, from the social perspective blacks are much closer to Republicans than Democrats. It might be if Republicans packaged their brand with an emphasis on that, contrasting with the perceived decadence of the Democrats, and then on top of that pitched the type of programs that I talked about, they may get some traction. Especially if Republicans could get some prominent leaders from the religious community on board by offering some juicy faith based education and job training programs, who knows it might take off. Let's suppose someone went to Louis Farrakhan and said, "look we want to do something for your people and we think you are the right man that would know exactly what to do with X amount of dollars to train your people in skilled trades," he might go for it. Then you would have him talking up the Republican brand and it would catch on.

I'm just throwing out ideas off the top of my head. But if I were a Republican trying to figure that problem out, that's one way I would try to approach it.

What I know for sure is that black people need to figure a way out of that trap the Democrats have put them in. Otherwise, they will just keep getting played and get nothing.

 

That's your whack translation. That's what you believe.

 

There is very little resembling communism in the Democratic party today.

 

I don't understand. I am sure there was a program called Aid to Families with Dependent Children that got axed. Let's see if I can find something here.

Ok did a quick google search and here it is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aid_to_Families_with_Dependent_Children

Honestly, I am not intelligent enough to understand your point. Could you please explain what you mean?

 

It's coming.

The surest way for people to start thinking conservative, is to start making money.

You have to work your butt off to get out of the lower brackets, and as soon as you see daylight, the government starts in.

It's like for the bottom 100 levels of society, you go home with the same paycheck no matter what you do.

And once they start getting out of concentrated urban areas, it will really start changing.

It is tough to see how racist liberals are, for both white and black people, in the cities. As in those areas, white people have all the money.

I don't think most white liberals have any clue how many poor white people are out there in the other 40 states.

And as black people move out here and see they live next door instead of ghettos, and no one shoots at their kids, even if they are racist, their eyes will open.

 

Well a couple of points on that.

Although Keynes advocated deficit spending in recessionary or depression conditions, he also advocated paying the debt down when the economy improved. He never advocated a permanent state of deficit spending, with a constantly increasing debt to GDP ratio like his modern day followers support.

You may be correct that socially, most Blacks may match up closer to Republicans. Just anecdotally, from Blacks I've known personally, most were conservative with a small "c." It was the the black vote that helped Prop 8 pass in California, that overturned the court provided gay marriage ruling (until it was overturned by the courts). But practically speaking, only white people seem to vote along those lines as far as party identification goes. Otherwise it doesn't matter that much. Which party do American Muslims support? They support the party of gay marriage, and trans bathroom rights. I would have loved if one of the many reporters Mr Khan has spoken to the past week had asked him how he felt about those issues! So although there a few black ministers who support Republicans for exactly those reasons, the vast majority support the Democrats.

As far as your idea of trying to out program Democrats with some sort of faith based jobs program, why wouldn't the Democrats just double it and then blame the Republicans for being stingy (because of...racism of course!)? And I'm not even sure that would help. We already have a lot of different job training and jobs programs. Lack of government programs isn't what ails the black community.

For the short term, I don't see the type of massive political shake up that would make Republicans competitive for black votes, but on the other hand, never say never. There is a major political paradigm shift going on right now that may be moving the parties from the old ideological left/right to a new nationalist/globalist view. The Republicans are losing people to the Democrats over this right now, which has to count as the biggest shake up since 1968 when the Democrats shed a lot of moderates who started to flee to the Republican Party over foreign policy.

 

I do think Republicans should rebrand themselves. They are saddled with the somewhat self-imposed image of being the party of white people in the upper income brackets. Not only do they not appeal to black people, they do not appeal to a lot of middle and lower income white people. If they don't change, they will continue to lose at the polls.

And what they don't seem to get is that they could appeal to those voters without abandoning conservative principles. Let me throw out an idea as an example. We have already talked in this thread about what Democrats do when they see someone starting to drown is they motor up to the person in their ship and throw them a life preserver. But what they don't do is throw out a ladder and say, "Climb up!" They congratulate themselves for throwing out the life preserver ... and leave.

Now I ask you ... What would be "unconservative" about throwing out a ladder and saying, "Climb up! Here's the ladder! Save yourself! Get out of the water! I've provided you with the ladder, and now all you have to do is climb up." This is called "giving a hand up", not "giving a hand out." Now it is true that that ladder would cost us something. But wouldn't we save money by reducing our life preserver expenses? The problem with the Republican Party is that they always look shortsightedly at the cost of the ladder and complain that they'd have to pay for it. So if you're that guy in the water, who are you going to support with your vote? The one that throws you the life preserver, that's who.... even though the life preserver does nothing more than keep you from drowning.

Now to translate all that into a specific proposal ...

I pay about $2200/year to my local school district that provides K-12 education. That's 13 grade levels. $2200 divided by 13 is $169. I'm paying $169 per grade level. Now, I ask you ... How hard would it be for me to fund two years of higher education or job skill training? It would be $169 X 2 which equals $338. That's $28 per month. Can I afford that? Yup. Sure can. What if the cost of this higher education was a little more than K-12? What if it cost $400 per year or $33 per month? Could I afford that? Yup.

What if, as an experiment, the federal government offered to build the schools and plant them right smack dab into the middle of the poor areas of 3 of our most poverty stricken large cities? Say Detroit, Chicago, and Baltimore. And the people of the state paid for staffing, maintenance, and educational materials for about 30 bucks a month? (That's a cost of a dollar a day.) And what if the message to young people was this: Stay in school. Be law-abiding and stay off drugs. Don't create babies. Graduate from high school. Obtain higher education. Obtain job skill training. Here is the help. Now work hard and succeed. Break out!!

Of course, there would be the losers who would just float around in their life preservers. But how many would grab onto that ladder and climb up? And for our investment, wouldn't we all save money in future welfare payments and reduced crime and incarceration?

What bothers me is that I see nothing "unconservative" about a hand up rather than a hand out. And yet, all I hear from the Republicans is that they don't want to pay for the ladder. It's the old adage of being penny wise and dollar foolish. If Republicans want to remain relevant, and if they want to expand their base of support to the poor and minorities, they need to change, and they can do it without becoming liberals.

You're right. It is tough to work your way up out of poverty. As you make more money, government support starts disappearing for you, so you are only treading water until you finally earn more than those government benefits were worth. But you are right that attitudes and perspectives change when you are truly succeeding.

 

I can't believe that you are blaming the actions of the Democrats on Republicans. Give credit where credit is due. If you check the history, when they did try to pass these laws, or successfully passed them they were blocked by Democrats in the Senate or the SCOTUS.

 

The only thing that Republicans need to change is the penchant of some for saying the stupidest things at the most crucial moments, e.g Todd Aiken's "legitimate rape" comment. That is the whole of the problem. Take those with similar verbal diarrhea and throw them into the back offices, and let those with some semblance of a capability for cognitive discourse do the talking, such as Mitch Daniels. We don't need to change anything else. The entire political fray should be a slam-dunk. Democrats are the chief contributors to crime statistics and have an innate distrust for law enforcement, their self-important and narcissistic protests pollute the cities at best and destroy them at worst, their platforms and social justice hobby projects are completely insipid (e.g. we will force institutions to allow a physiological man with silicone implants to use a ladies' restroom)...

Republicans don't even have to cover anything up at all, but there are simpletons at the top level who spout inaccuracies when there is no need to lie. The Democrats, instead of pointing out and exploiting fallacies, direct peoples' attention to bastardizations of what is actually said, which is not even as bad. This should be a complete routing, but too many idiots are on the Republican soapbox.

Regarding blacks not liking us, instead of them wasting the time not liking us, which doesn't achieve anything at all, they should fix their own situation and collectively work on the world's perception of them. See, people from other countries don't have this bizarre white American inhibition towards speaking about black people. Ask a Japanese guy what he honestly thinks about blacks in America. Let's stop bullsh!tting each other.

That would work if society were actually like the "after-school special" that you envision it to be. You don't appear to get out much.

Jesus skeet-shooting Christ, that is the most naive thing I have ever heard in any discussion.

Seriously. You simply have to be just screwing around right now. No one over the age if 11 who has ever left his house would say that with a straight face.

Did you by any chance grow up in a small Swiss village with no electricity before you went into the monastery?

Anyway, back to rational discussion...

 

"When they came for me..."

There was no political advantage in protecting Blacks from Southern Whites so Republicans after 1877 didn't. When you see a rap and you know it's a rape are you not, at the very least, morally obligated to try to stop it?

 

So basically you are saying every black person in the nation is too stupid to know what is good for them. Well, it's not like we haven't heard that before. It's good to know racism is alive and well in the Republican Party. The unfortunate fact for you is people are just not as dumb as Republicans need them to be. Unfortunately for Republicans backs and others do know what is good for them and are perfectly capable of making their own decisions. That fact is blacks and other are perfectly capable of making rational decisions all on their own, and the unfortunate fact for you is 99% of blacks are voting for the Democratic nominee. That's very high. That's higher than usual. And it's not only the black vote Republicans are losing. They are losing the Hispanic vote as well. Are you going now say Hispanics are too dump to know what is good for them as you have with blacks?

The fact is blacks and others in this country know it was the Democratic Party who led the civil rights movement in this country and at great expense to the party. Civil rights cost the party all of the Southern Democrats who became Republicans as a result of Democratic support of the civil rights movement. Democrats have consistently been the party of civil rights since the 1960s and Republicans have become the anti-civil rights party and become more anti-civil rights with each passing year.

Hillary is now leading Trump with the college educated whites. So are college educated whites too dumb to know what's good for them too? The only place where Trump still has an advantage is with non college educated whites. But he is losing ground there too.

 

What a total FAIL. Simply insulting is not an argument. Find some other 12 year old on the site to play with, and don't bother next time. I'm a grown up, son.

 

Is it? I've been a Republican for more than 40 years and, back when I joined the party, I don't remember Republicans having a penchant for stupid. Democrats, yes. Not Republicans (except on tape in the Oval Office).

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The core of Republican philosophy back then was laissez faire economics and non-interventionism foreign policy. This philosophy was color blind but, when combined with discriminatory practices in hiring, education, law enforcement, housing and other areas produced very race tilted results.

So, what is the core of Republican philosophy today and why do so many find expression of those core beliefs offensive?

 

The fail is all on you. That was the most patently ridiculous suggestion that has ever been presented on this or any board. You are completely out of touch with reality, kid.

 

The core of Republican philosophy is to aspire to be self-sufficient and to not kowtow to the mob mentality that seeks to coerce the enactment of its agenda by dissidence and petulant tantrums that disrupt the fabric of order.

 

What about the crimes against blacks that weren't in the South? What about the Jim Crow Laws in New Jersey and New York? What about the riots and mass killings that happened in non-Southern states? What about the KKK which was very popular in Midwest and Northern states?

Racism was not exclusive to the South and democrats were in control in many big cities even back then in Northern and Midwest cities. There were democrats all across the country, KKK all across the country. It's wasn't an easily fought battle back then when half the country, not just the South was racist democrats.

 

Uh-huh.

And how's that working out for you?

Seriously, if you think that pile of horsecrap is anything more than a pile of horsecrap then Donald Trump has a pile of horsecrap to sell you.

Take that back to the Ayn Rand fan club and ask for a refund.

 

What? Segregation was RAMPANT in the north. Boston, for example, was one of the most racially segregated and racist cities in this country. But there were no need for "Jim Crow" laws because Blacks, by population, did not pose any threat to existing rule and, with few exceptions, had little political power and influence in the North. As opposed to the South where an active Black political movement could pose a serious threat to the dominance of Whites and Democrats.

The core of the civil rights movement was northern and western Democrats. Moderate Republicans grudgingly voted for some civil rights legislation but were not really part of the movement. Racism and racist policies existed across the country but, in the South, it was baked into the law.

 

Strike two.

Hell, at least swing, son!

Here. I'll lob it to ya ...

 

That's working just fine. Next weekend I'm going deep-sea fishing on my boat that I worked and paid for, unless some Democrats decided to steal it from the backyard of my second house.

Your bitterness amuses me. Perhaps you should have studied harder in school and stayed off drugs, then I'd have no reason to chuckle at your projected resentment. Maybe the bros at the Saul Alinsky Fan Club can hug your tears away and give you a cupcake.

 

Aw, look at you, pretending to be condescending. If you'd like lessons, little feller, I'd be more than happy to show you how it's done.

Nonetheless, your ideas are still insipid and sound like they come from a preteen girl. You're the pawn of Democrat machination, and you don't even know it. They want dull, impressionable people who just hand things out without asking questions. That's how they keep such a big fan club. Welcome to the world, kid.