Bad science

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  1. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    One of my favourite sayings is "Do not confuse poor journalism with good science" and given the plethora of bad science masquerading as valid research there is on the net I thought I might start a humorous thread on it.

    Let's make it a competition to see who can find the most whacked out weird so called science site on the net

    A bit of a caveat = although sites like DHMO http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html can be posted they are essentially a joke site so will not be included in the race to find the worst site.

    My first entry is courtesy of one of the anti-AGW people on this board

    http://www.space.news/2015-10-06-en...eating-up-scientists-blame-solar-warming.html

    And I have to say that I do not know which is more amusing - that the solar system has apparently moved into a hot area in space or that there has been an increase in "star dust"
     
  2. politicalcenter

    politicalcenter Well-Known Member

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    NOOOO!!! The threats of DHMO are REAL!
     
  4. DarkDaimon

    DarkDaimon Well-Known Member

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    There are lot's of psudo-science site like this one from the ol' anti-vaccine crowd! http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/ From the site:

    "The Holistic Health Movement will eventually relegate the Vaccine Industry, and all similar aberrations of nature, to the dust-bin of history."

    Uh, yeah...

    or the ID/Creationists: http://www.creationism.org/ (Pretty much everything on the site)

    But the granddaddy of them all is the Time Cube. Gene Ray created the site in 1997 but I didn't hear about it until 2002 when some students from M.I.T. invited Ray to speak at the school. Unfortunately, the site is no longer in use, but you can find a copy of it here: http://timecube.2enp.com/. This one's fantastic! The site is just one long page of ranting about, well, I'm not sure exactly what, but it is truly a site to behold. Here is a highlight:

    "Ignoring 4 Corner Earth Days
    will Destroy Evil Humanity.
    I am organizing Children to
    join "Cubic Army of 4 Days"
    to convert Evil 1 Day Adults
    to 4 Day mentality existence,
    to serve perpetual humanity."
     
  5. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What scared me the most about that is that, at the bottom of the page, there is a link called "NEXT PAGE". *shiver*
     
  6. 10A

    10A Chief Deplorable Past Donor

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    The most whacked out site, all political, no science, and you can order a brainwash kit:

    https://www.climaterealityproject.org/

    "storms becoming more and more devastating" Remember how much more devastating hurricanes were supposed to be because of global warming? The anthropocentric global warming proponents are their own worst enemy.
     
  7. Bowerbird

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    Not too sure I can disagree with you. A LOT of "donate now" pleas with very little scientific content as far as I can see.

    Just because it is pro climate science does not mean that it is good science

    Mind you it could just be a scam - and that does happen to the best. Someone decides to make a quick buck off of a trend and in doing so casts a cloud over the rest.

    But is it "bad science" well, as far as I can tell there actually is no science on that website
     
  8. DivineComedy

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    https://www.climaterealityproject.org/content/download-make-it-a-reality-action-kit

    That is kind of funny, if serious, make it downloadable for free.

    As someone who stood on a frozen sea of DHMO, while in a squadron operated for the National Science Foundation, and could read stuff that was not polished with pictures and condensed down for dummies, I miss that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VXE-6

    https://www.nsf.gov/

    Now we need a list of bad science, with pictures of course, the worst sites will be the most legitimate looking.

    “Analysis results, data, and code resulting from this project will be freely available for download from this website so that they can be used by other researchers and domain scientists.” http://climatechange.cs.umn.edu/knowledge.php
    http://climatechange.cs.umn.edu/knowledge.php

    For every bad site, you might want the good ones too. Whether or not people buy it, that is the question; Gore made it political, all or nothing, and nothing seems to have won out over Hillary's “third way” Fabian Socialism/Climate Science.
     
  9. JakeJ

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    Al Gore, the Minister of Global Warming, predicting that the polar icecap would be completely melted away by 2014, ie "proven scientific fact." :roflol:

    http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/...gore-s-climate-calculations-prove-wrong-again

    Exactly every prediction of the movie virtually all children were forced by schools to be indoctrinated with has been proven 100% false - and it has been proven the "scientific facts" of the so-called experts were deliberately false and doctored. Despite this, millions of such indoctrination still worship him, still recite the proven lies and facts, and worship the discredited claim of predicting future devastation with the zealotry of religious cult members.
     
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    But it was still funny. I never heard of him before.
     
  13. JakeJ

    JakeJ Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He was a big deal on the Jon Stewart show. He was a comedian then. He then tried to break off on his own via the Internet. Political comedy.
     
  14. Bowerbird

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    "Puckered Penguins"??

    So you know first hand that the poor sods freezing their behinds off in Antarctica are not doing it just so they can make some midwest American pay 5c a year more on electricity.

    But the intent of this thread was not to focus on climate science alone - although I see the peanut gallery has chimed in - but it was to look at bad science and maybe, in the process, teach some how to differentiate between good and bad science.

    Learning this goes WAAAAY beyond climate science and into everyday life. Take a simple example of cosmetics

    In most countries the cosmetics industry is not regulated the same way that pharmaceuticals are so they can make wild and inaccurate claims about reducing wrinkles and glowing lustrously

    The Australian comedy/consumer program "The Checkout" did this very well.

    http://www.abc.net.au/tv/thecheckout/clips/ - the one about cosmetics is "skin care made simple"

    - - - Updated - - -

    Bat(*)(*)(*)(*) crazy is correct but is it masquerading as "science"? Hmmmm sorry still not a winner!
     
  15. Bowerbird

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    Do not confuse poor journalism with good science

    But most of the inaccuracies have come from research AFTER the film was published - at the time it was logical to assume that the retreat of snow on Kilimanjaro was down to global warming - since then we have discovered it was due to deforestation. Sort of the equivalent of saying that the bacteria is not killing you it is the toxins from the bacteria

    https://www.skepticalscience.com/al-gore-inconvenient-truth-errors.htm

    So no. Unless you have proof that this was deliberate misleading or just bat(*)(*)(*)(*) crazy I have to disallow your entry
     
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  17. DivineComedy

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    Teaching someone how to differentiate between good and bad, is like the history of the world.

    Any inaccuracies in prophecy (see Gore), any contradictions (regional differences in tree ring data), anything that hurts sensitivities (costs money, or discriminates against a group, see any treaty), results in the Holy Climate Change god being a myth. They might believe in science, but do not believe in the son of man (AGW).

    Thinking of skin care, I turned down a $16,000 dollar reenlistment bonus and CHI-CHI bandito; I had a killer tan with two years of endless summer. When down at McMurdo and the ozone hole was not yet national news, a surfer in our squadron got a really bad sunburn down at McMurdo’s Willy Field while laying out on the wing of a C-130, for a very short period of time, it was like a, “holy cow, there is a hole,” moment. https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/ozone-aus.html

    The problem with prophecy, of any kind even AGW, some things can be predicted, but some cannot:

    "What is true, from the start our goal has been first to contain and we have contained them.” (Obama)

    Based upon something his minister said that make me think of an Oreo cookie, I created the following highly offensive post, the topic is asking a question about the policy of containment, something for which no question by a so-called “journalist” was asked before he was elected:

    “Deaths due to containment should be blamed on:
    The creamy white middle.
    The chocolaty goodness.
    Other...(explain)...”
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/archives/30602-oreo-cookie-and-containment.html

    If the scientist first took an oath, to do no harm, they would have to cut out some of the soothsaying. Take a cue from the Fundamental Baptist Madrassa. You can prophesy that Obama’s creamy white middle will be to blame for ISIS (containment causing more terror), and his chocolaty goodness will be to blame for Hillary winning; we cannot know prophecy until it happens.

    Prophecy about AGW should be vaguer, duct tape on Gore’s mouth would have been more beneficial than his truth, but we can easily predict that a weak policy of containment will not end the problem.
     
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    Well he DID speak at MIT and Georgia Tech's Physics Departments.
     
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    Now, now...
     
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    But I saw on the Internet that DHMO is dangerous so it must be true!
     
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    Yeah...Any human that has ever taken this substance has eventually died!! :omg: What's really horrible is that any human that does not take this substance will also die!! What kind of twisted science is this? :steamed:
     
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    You can call a hammer a hand held impact generator... but its still a hammer.
     
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    Or a GUN...:smile:
     
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    You have the internet, too?! Wowza, apparently, we are all coming up in the real world.

    Unless you have failed at the bar and have been condemned to absolute idiocy, there are those of us who know better than to do certain things within our home and/or labs. Never been into anything violent, but if in the wrong hands, a paper towel could be perceived as dangerous. Still so, REALLY? Sarcasm is lost on me. No apologies. I carry my own.
     

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