Do conservatives REALLY endorse Christian values?

We will both address it someday, either as sheep or goats.

 

The same people who were sure that Obama was a Muslim think that Trump is a Christian.

 

Opinions are irrelevant in a logical argument. I won't waste my time, either.

 

The above assumes that there are no Christian Democrats.

 

And there's the big question what is the difference between the sheep and the goats? A small Hint it isn't works.

 

"snowflake right".

Haha, that's funny. The snowflakes calling other people snowfakes. You safe space guys do no your way around a joke.

What did Bill Maher say about jesus anyway? Is he some kind of important politician?

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Thank you for proving my point

 

You like to debate, but at the final judgment your last argument will have already been made; NO REBUTTAL.

 

What laws do churches pass in our government

 

I never said otherwise. In this case I don't consider it debating merely information sharing. Consider this, the difference between the sheep and the goats is attitude. Both have works. The goats have records for every good thing they've ever done you can almost here their smugness echoing in their words "When did we see you hungry and not feed you?" But the sheep aren't even aware of having done anything. How is this then? Why do the sheep remember nothing? Because of that heart change that came about when the Holy Spirit first placed faith in their hearts. They aren't aware because these things are now as natural as breathing and as remarkable. For the goats these things are out of character and not natural to them. Because of that they remember everything. What the goats have done they did to glorify themselves rather than God.

 

An atheist is more of a Christian than Obama. Obamas roots are Muslim while Trumps are Christian and Ill leave it at that. Neither seems particularly religious

 

You are correct about the attitude, but faith alone is not sufficient justification to merit salvation. FAITH IS MANIFESTED IN WORKS. . . . You know a good tree by its fruits.

Read what James, the brother of Jesus, has to say:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=James+2:14-26&version=NKJV

 

I will be clearer. your quote "...Please show me anything in the constitution that gives congress the power to give out charity" to which I responded

they (ie Congressmen) have the power to pass laws. If they choose to pass charitable ones, that is entirely up to them. You are free to link us to a Supreme court decision that holds it unconstitutional for them to legislate in this field. Church conduct is moot.

 

I guess they didnt teach civics when you were in school. They are limited by the constitution any 10 year old knows that. They cant pass anything they like

One more time the court rulings are not settled law they unlike the constitution change with time. As a matter of fact that power is not spelled out in the constitution. They stole it

http://money.howstuffworks.com/10-overturned-supreme-court-cases.htm

 

Faith is demonstrated by works. But salvation precedes Godly works and are a function of that faith not a cause of salvation. One cannot merit salvation There is no deed you can do that makes you less guilty of the wrongs you have done salvation is a gift.

 

I was warned in post 247. Dairyair has you pegged. I will give due deference to your opinions on the constitution and constitutional law. Basically you are that brand of special snowflake created by right wing mythology and its blogsphere. The constitution is what you will it to be. It cannot grow or shrink or change outside of your wetdream and any SCOTUS decisions contrary, will be tossed aside as unenticing porn you watched the night before.

 

If you point is that Christians want an exemption for their religion from the separation of church and state then it was proven long time ago.

 

First the president has to sign and if it comes before SCOTUS they can shoot it down. Your claim is total BS. I have you pegged

Now your taking my position and calling me the fool. Your very conflicted

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They dont

 

You are not reading my post correctly.

 

They want Christian prayers to be official parts of public school events (often while opposing any official endorsement of non-Christian prayers)
They want Christian symbols on public land, paid for by taxes.
They want defend having a uniquely Christian holiday (Christmas) as a official national holiday, while opposing official recognition for any other religious based holidays (Hannuka, Kwanza, etc....)
They want to teach Creationism (fundamentalist Christian dogma) as fact in public schools and make the classes maditory.

 

Who does ? I know of no such thing and we said a prayer every day at school and Jews and Christians prayed together. They want the right to pray when and where they please as guaranteed by the constitution

Name a few of these symbols they want on public land paid for tax payers

Christmas is a national holiday and was a holiday before the US or Christ was born

You do realise that holiday is simply a modern version of holy day

Besides your attributing this all to congress? Christians per se have no such power. Congress must first pass these laws

 

You have proven my point already. There was no need for a response

 

That GIFT of salvation is only for God's chosen; how are we chosen???

If we can stop another from sinning, it is to our merit. Gentle rebuke is OK, but not self-righteous condemnation of superficialities. We will be judged ONLY on our own sins.

Matthew 22:36-40New International Version (NIV)

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Luke 6:37-42
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned. Give, and it will be given to you. They will pour into your lap a good measure--pressed down, shaken together, and running over. For by your standard of measure it will be measured to you in return." And He also spoke a parable to them: "A blind man cannot guide a blind man, can he? Will they not both fall into a pit?"


One can give without loving, but one cannot love without giving. Giving is its own reward, but considering it a sacrifice diminishes your own satisfaction.

 

The Bible appears to address that Question once and then only obliquely. It occurs in Jesus answer to the Pharisee as a wo.an, a known sinner washes his feet with her tears and drying them with her hair. His says, "Those who are forgiven much love much. All of us have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. The woman understood her situation far better than the wise Pharisee understood his own.

 

It is unclear what "question" you are referring to.

I will TRY one more time to make my point CRYSTAL CLEAR. Atonement for ALL of our sins is granted contingent upon our acknowledgement that redemption was a much appreciated GIFT paid for by the blood of Jesus in spite of our unworthiness.

Of course, we must insist on conformance of laws essential to the safety and well-being of our community, but in other matters, while we may point out the righteous path, forcing one to follow it would be contrary to God's wishes for us to exercise free will.

As Christians, we must also let our "light shine" by performing good works in order to glorify God and set a good example.

 

And I agree. Conversion by the sword is antithetical to Christianity. However no one who truly cares about another will let them walk down the path to hell without warning them of the consequences. In fact, Ezekiel commands us to do so. We are required to warn them however we are not permitted to nail their feet to the path to prevent them from advancing.