DEFUND SANC CITIES AND STOP ANCHOR BABY LAW ....NOW!

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  1. Rollo1066

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    The USA follows the "law of the soil" not the "law of the blood". This was the English common law and wasn't changed when the USA gained independence. The 14th Amendment made the law of the soil part of the Constitution, and made clear that blacks born in USA are USA citizens. United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898) is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court ruled that a child of Chinese parents born in the USA was an American citizen.
     
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  2. Mac-7

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    Kim's parents were legal residents of the United States

    The 14th amendment applies only to freed black slaves who were born in America and has been wrongly assumed to now include everyone including the children of illegal aliens
     
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    Big Government's threats to punish local jurisdictions if they do not allow Washington bureaucrats to commandeer their local law enforcement agencies and redeploy them to surrender to the feds' will not stand.

    Far too many mayors and police chiefs take their responsibilities to their communities seriously. Their defiant, "You do your job, and we'll do ours!" shall prevail.
     
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  4. Reality

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    To abolish birthright citizenship you'll need a constitutional amendment.
     
  5. Just_Saying

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    Yeah that's what I've been contending all along. Whatever it takes because it's being grossly abused and allowing foreigners to skip the immigration process completely.
     
  6. Reality

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    You're not going to get that many people to agree on the color of an orange these days. Nor is destroying birthright citizenship a good idea. Just don't let pregnant women in and enforce our border. It's pretty simple.
    You're trying to use a nuke to swat a fly
     
  7. tkolter

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    Not according the High Court, it didn't say former slaves only so they cover everyone with it and if your reading it in plain language not intent then its applied by them properly. They could overturn the previous interpretations but this current Court composition may not do that. Unless they do the 14th Amendment needs to be amended with another Amendment and good luck with that. Or we can push for an international treaty banning being born on a nations soil from being considered for citizenship then sign and ratify that and it could arguably counter the 14th Amendment language since it would then hold the same weight as the US Constitution itself. That might be easier to get passed since if one nation and we were the only signers it would still count.
     
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    The court has never ruled on illegal aliens

    On judge implied they were citizens in his opinion after another court case and the the congress has chosen to write that into the statutes but it is still not settled law
     
  9. Greataxe

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    A baby born to a criminal invader should never to given citizenship. They weren't when the 14th was written, so that means they aren't now. Stop dreaming up stuff.
     
  10. Just_Saying

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    Well that would cause an even bigger **** storm...The ACLU will have a field day with that claiming discrimination against pregnancy. A new term of pregnophobe or maternalphobe will undoubtedly hit the airways as well.
     
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    I agree in most part.
     
  12. Reality

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    Except pregnancy isn't a protected class.
    You think the measure I suggest will cause less of a **** storm than trying to art V away the 14th amendment? Explain
     
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    Anyone on US soil is under US jurisdiction. Have you ever read the statute or the US Constitution?

    8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth ...

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401
    “Any provision of law (including section 301(b) of the Immigration and Nationality Act [8 U.S.C. 1401(b)] (as in effect before October 10, 1978), and the provisos of section 201(g) of the Nationality Act of 1940 [former 8 U.S.C. 601(g)]) that provided for a person's loss of citizenship or nationality if the person ...
     
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    Wrong. Anchor babies are under the jurisdiction and are citizens of the nation the illegal alien parent came from.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...tution-doesnt-mandate-birthright-citizenship/
     
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    No other country grants citizenship automatically to "anchor babies."

    Two thirds of states can amend the constitution accordingly without a constitutional convention. Republicans are only 2 states short.
     
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    No other nation does many of the things we do. The constitution is my "**** off I don't care what your shitty foreign land does" card. Works for my gun rights and freedom of speech as well. Honestly do you hear yourself right now? You sound like a lib demanding universal free **** or suppression of gun rights or the ability to say something that offends people. Wake the **** up.

    You're assuming it'll be a party line vote. Which is foolish when you're talking about the 14th amendment.
     
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    Illegal aliens are citizens of the nations they came from, and their kids are as well, and all under their legal protection.

    All illegals and their kids should be deported. All illegals who are convicted of violent crimes or found guilty of being part of violent drug and prison gangs should all be executed
     
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    Illegal alien invaders and their children are only citizens of the nations the invaders came from. The US has the right to punish them and evict them inside out territory. If they are returned alive to their nation of origin, then they are under the full jurisdiction of that nation.
     
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    Anyone on US soil is under US jurisdiction. No other country's laws apply. Do you comprehend? Did you READ the statute I posted for you?

    Jesus when did we stop teaching 6th grade civics?
     
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    Except we have birthright citizenship. And dual citizenship. You really just don't know what you're talking about.


    You should check out our death penalty jurisprudence while you're burning out all that ignorance.
     
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    Illegal aliens are not US citizens under the law.

    And I was just stating my preference on how to handle convicted violent and gangster criminal illegal aliens. Give them the rope. The way the law should be.
     
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    Children born here are. US soil= US jurisdiction. What is difficult to grasp about that?

    I know what you were doing and I'm telling you its been ruled unconstitutional with pretty good reason.
     
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    If the parents are in the country illegally they are not under US jurisdiction

    I would extend that to include the anchor babies of foreign tourists who give birth here
     

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