DEFUND SANC CITIES AND STOP ANCHOR BABY LAW ....NOW!

You know, the birth of a baby is a very costly medical bill for most Americans, let alone illegals, and is itself a good reason to cross over. No Medicaid, no crossover, if people become aware they will be incurring the costs themselves.

The liberal idea that society is "punishing" people because of their own bad choices has got to go. Logical consequences are one of the first things responsible parents teach their children.

 

Don't bet the rent money on that.

The Constitution means whatever 5 judges on the supreme court say it means

They could easily decide that the children of illegal aliens and temporary stay tourists are not entitled to birthright citizenship

 

You mean unless george soros or some other liberal moneybags pays me to know it all my opinion doesn't count?

Oh the shame of it all

 

Well, for them, ex post facto would prevent that. You can't pass a law that makes something previously legal, illegal, and then prosecute already existing violators.

No... The ones already here win the lucky golden ticket. Any future ones get deported with their parents back to their country of citizenship before they have a chance to grow up here.

 

I'll have what HE'S having. It is apparently quite potent.

 

Not only should they not be able to find a job, they should also not be able to find housing, health care, education, credit, insurance, or anything else.

We need to make our country attractive to immigrants, and wholly inhospitable to illegal immigrants.

 

Ronstar is correct.. If you are on US soil, you are under US jurisdiction.. NO other country's laws apply. You should read US citizenship statutes.

 

That was satire, I hope everyone understood.

This place can act like a drug

 

Let me tell you where I stand:

AFTER a couple of decades of belonging to various organizations, having opinions and even having done legal research work on various cases along with voicing my opinions publicly (radio, tv and newspapers) I worked in immigration law.

At one time I thought that would give me more credibility in discussing the issue. Was I ever wrong! People on discussion boards thought their opinions were more relevant than the experience one gains by working in a given field and seeing some of the popular "opinions" get shot down.

It pains me to watch the anti-immigrant lobby stay on a collision course with total defeat, backing popular opinions dreamed up by loser organizations (and individuals) that have never had a real success in their lives. Quite to the contrary. The left has used the right for over a decade and a half on this issue and each and every time the right gets any legislation passed, it victimizes the American people and has little impact on the intended target.

Let's face the facts here:

Most intelligent people know that you most likely cannot defund sanctuary cities. The right went to court and got the United States Supreme Court to rule that states / local governments are under no obligation to enforce federal law. They did that so that local governments did not have to enforce unconstitutional gun control laws. Well, the Constitution mandates the equal protection of the laws, so sometimes you don't always get what you want. But, I would never give the federal government that kind of power to force states and local governments to enforce federal laws.

Yet we continue to have these kinds of threads - which are a waste of bandwidth and time. They don't accomplish much in the grand scheme of things since change is not effected by our opinions, but rather by our work. And our work is wasted if we keep pushing an agenda that is inconsistent with reality and the current rulings by the courts. I used to think I knew what this battle was about. I don't.

People seem to be content with giving their country away and complaining on discussion boards as a coping measure. I used to see this medium as a way to build a consensus and a message that we could use to impact the political discussion over in Washington Wonderland, District of Corruption. Instead, what we have are professional posters that want to control board discussions, deny the reality, and keep their fellow man from working within the parameters of law and reality to get a better outcome for the American people relative to immigration - and more importantly, all those roads that immigration crosses relative the Rights of the people.

Other than that, you're welcome to your opinion, but when I see your proposed solutions have long term negative effects for the citizens of this country, I will oppose it and speak out.

 

I can tell you have a very high opinion of yourself on this topic

But there are others just as qualifed and well studied who disagree with your conclusions

In the end it doesnt matter what either of us think

You cannot know exactly what is bubbling in the brains of 5 unelected demigods on the high court and how they will rule on this question

 

I have no superiors on this issue and damn few equals. You think highly of yourself as you think you are as well read as I. You aren't. And I will be able to tell you the direction of the Supreme Court after I've read a few more rulings by Gorsuch. Their rulings are not going to go the way the right thinks they will. That is the advantage you have when you have studied the law, studied the previous decisions by Justices and see the way the political pendulum is swinging.

 

The left beats the right, not because they are have a better argument; they realize that each of us may be called upon to give to the causes we claim to believe in. So, your side is going to win because they have a democratic vote on discussion boards? ROTFLMAO.

 

Not opinions that have been finalized by the SC to overrule US law.

 

The most dangerous people are the ones who do not know what they don't know or what they know that is wrong.

You appear to be one of those

I suppose you can browbeat other libverals if any dare to disagree with you but you don't impress me very much

Santuarary cites are outside the law and until the black robes say otherwise they can have state and federal funds cut off by a president who is willing to do it.

We need the wall and we need strict enforcement of our existing immigration laws including deportation

As for gorsuch I expect nothing

If he is a true conservatie that would be a bonus but as long as he turns out no worse than roberts I will have to settle for that

 

What I know cannot be wrong. I've been in court 36 times. I have never lost nor been over-turned on appeal. I have participated in two cases that went before the United States Supreme Court. BOTH of those cases were won.

The key to winning cases is to be able to argue either side of the case and still believe in your own case. In virtually every case I participated in, I could have argued their case better than they did.

The whole thing of it is, the United States Supreme Court ruled that state and local governments cannot be compelled to enforce federal statutory law. Sorry sir, I'm not wrong about it. Fact is, I knew Richard Mack for years before he went to the Supreme Court and got that ruling.

If the feds want anything done about sanctuary cities, they will have to do it alone. Feel free to cut off federal funds, but bear in mind, when you play tit for tat, the states can reject federal money and do things better at a local level. What happens when you discover that the closer the problems stay to the local level, the better the results and at a cheaper price?

 

If you say so

The beauty of the internet for liberals is that they can all be 10 feet tall and no one can prove they arent

 

That is an intreging idea

I like the image of liberal cities like Austin or liberal states like California can reject all federal money and going it alone

That will free up more money to build the border wall and hire more immigration enforcement agents

 

Hopefully Congress is smarter than to waste money on a sill a** border wall.

 

So are you saying you're ten feet tall? I know you were smarter than to imply I'm a liberal.

 

I am not the one making wild claims about myself

You are the claiming to be infallible and all knowing

 

You have to physically stop peasants from mexico and other parts of the world from walking across the border into the US and causing trouble.

The wall does that

 

Or, put heavy fines on those who employ them.

 

Ron's tree service is not responsible for immigration and border security

Fines for KNOWINGLY hiring illegal aliens are appropriate

but most illegals use phony SS numbers and other fake documents

And that approach does not prevent mexican women from having anchor babies that liberals will want to give welfare and citizenship status to

 

Its easy to uncover a fake social security number. Did you just make that up?

Have you ever actually READ the statute? Its not that hard to understand and it isn't "liberal".

8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals
and citizens of United States at birth

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401