US-led coalition admits use of white phosphorus in Mosul amid mounting criticism

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    https://www.rt.com/news/392203-us-white-phosphorous-mosul/
    We will not hear squeals about this in Western media because Western media is the part of american bullshit. Nikki Haley will not fart in the UN about the dead children. The White House will not say anything... Because:
     
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    Yep, and not a peep of protest about Israel's use of WP against schools in Gaza city either. America still doesn't recognise WP as a weapon in contravention of the 1980 Protocol III Convention on Certain Chemical Weapons.
    And before any supporter of the use of this ghastly stuff jumps in, it is only permitted to be used as an illuminant or smoke screen, and NOT in the proximity of civilian populations. Fallujah.
     
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    The US uses chemical weapons and torture. The most disgusting thing is that all the NATO whores are silent. May, Merkel or Macron never open their mouths against USA. And all this happens under screaming about values, freedom and democracy.
     
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    A Russian complaining about torture. That's laughable.

    There are several accords concerning the use of weapons that the US hasn't signed on to. War is ugly, fight to win or stay home.

    The only weapons that have no place on a battle field are nuclear, chemical, and biological.
     
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    I love it. There really are no limits to the evil radical islam inflicts upon the world. When Islam stops blowing people up War-type actions across the planet will reduce by 90% I suppose. Using masking procedures to ease movement to contact or other battlefield movement is strategically sound.
     
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    It's ridiculous to hear the fart of USA about freedom and democracy. Russia does not steal people in other countries and does not torture in Guantanamo.
     
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    Russia only imprisons those who disagree with the Establishment, and fire Employees of the state for social media posts. (shrug). USA is not as free as it once was, but there's no better place on the planet in terms of liberty from government intrusion.
     
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    Your head is full of propaganda about Russia.
     
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    White phosphorus was used during the illegal bombing of Slaviansk by the junta we installed and continue to support in Ukraine. Russia considers it a war crime and believes the bombing was under the orders of Gov. and criminal Ihor Kolomosky.

    There's a saying, tell me who your friends are and I will know what you are. Well take a good look at who our friends are in the world. If we suffer the consequences of all that blood on our hands, and we will, then who can we blame but ourselves ....


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    Well if that's what CNN and BBC tell you, then it must be true.

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    We are now invading Syria a sovereign nation under the pretense of fighting ISIS, when our only intent is to keep the Syrian army from defeating ISIS who we support.

    The lies are meant to deceive the American people, who our government supposedly represents. It shows how much contempt they have for their own people.
     
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    And so we used nuclear in Kosovo and Serbia, and white phosphorous in Raqqa. Bravo Uncle Sam. You have done well. :unclesam:
     
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    The US is not in violation of any Treaty.

    Obama deposited a reservation on January 21, 2009 that allowed for "the right to use incendiary weapons against military objectives located in concentrations of civilians where it is judged that such use would cause fewer casualties and/or less collateral damage than alternative weapons."


    Upon ratification:
    Reservation:
    "Article 7 (4) (b) of the Convention shall not apply with respect to the United States."
    Declaration:
    The United States declares, with reference to the scope of application defined in article 1 of the Convention, that the United States will apply the provisions of the Convention, Protocol I, and Protocol II to all armed conflicts referred to in articles 2 and 3 common to the Geneva Conventions for the Protection of War Victims of August 12, 1949.
    Understandings:
    The United States understands that article 6 (1) of the Protocol II does not prohibit the adaptation for use as booby-traps of portable objects created for a purpose other than as a booby-trap if the adaptation does not violate paragraph (1)(b) of the article.
    The United States considers that the fourth paragraph of the preamble to the Convention, which refers to the substance of provisions of article 35 (3) and article 55 (1) of additional Protocol I to the Geneva Conventions for the Protection of War Victims of August 12, 1949, applies only to States which have accepted those provisions.


    21 January 2009



    Upon Consent to be bound by Protocol III

    Reservation:
    “The United States of America, with reference to Article 2, paragraphs 2 and 3, reserves the right to use incendiary weapons against military objectives located in concentrations of civilians where it is judged that such use would cause fewer casualties and/or less collateral damage than alternative weapons, but in so doing will take all feasible precautions with a view to limiting the incendiary effects to the military objective and to avoiding, and in any event to minimizing, incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects.”

    Understanding:
    “It is the understanding of the United States of America that any decision by any military commander, military personnel, or any other person responsible for planning, authorizing or executing military action shall only be judged on the basis of that person’s assessment of the information reasonably available to the person at the time the person planned, authorized, or executed the action under review, and shall not be judged on the basis of information that comes to light after the action under review was taken.”


    https://treaties.un.org/pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=XXVI-2&chapter=26&lang=en

    I always told my students to check all Treaties binding the US for "Reservations." Reservations are filed by States which exempts them from being bound to certain Articles within a Treaty. The US more often than not, will file a Reservation when it ratifies any Treaty. Accordingly, what appears to be a violation of a Treaty, often is not where the US is involved.
     
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    Are you older than about 13? Do you have any intelligent replies, ever?
     
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    1) White Phosphorous and Depleted Uranium are both chemical weapons.

    2) What is laughable is the US claiming moral high ground "we do not torture" when it does torture. Further - sometimes the US tortures innocent people.
     
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    How can anyone take you libs serious? You anti-Americans will use anything you can to hate the US. The article states the New Zealand General admits to using them, then the Iraqi army states they used them but since the US is leading the operation you liberals condemn the US? Do you hate the New Zealand and Iraqi governments too or just the US? If it was up to you sharia law would be in place and most of you would be beheaded by now but luckily the patriots in the US won't let you destroy yourselves.
     
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    Spare us the crap.

    It is in fact the idiotic, pansy way this war on terror has been fought that has increased the length and suffering of the innocents in the population for so many years.

    We should fight ISIS exactly the way we fought the Nazis in WW 2. If the fighters are in a town---attack the town with bombs, WP, napalm or whatever will kill the enemy with the least suffering to our troops. And if civilians and kids get in the way, they either should have left, or killed the Islamic bad guys when they first invaded their areas. Too bad, too sad.

    Could one imagine back in WW 2 when our troops entered a French town occupied by the Waffen SS. The commander would have had to ask permission from the Pentagon if they saw some SS men shooting at them from an apartment building, because they didn't want to risk harming the French civilians and have them had bad feeling against them for attacking the place.

    Stupid is as stupid does.
     
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    If the American coalition is bombing Raqqa as well as Mosul with white phosphorous and killing civilians with total indifference, it's to grab the oil rich city before the Syrian army can take it back so they can make it part of an American and Israeli friendly Kurdistan. It's thievery and it's illegal.

    You have to stop thinking in terms of a time when we still had some sense of righteousness, and when one could still believe what was written in the press. That righteousness has now passed onto the Russian Federation, while we have become the inheritors of the former Soviet Union... thanks to the bunch of self serving neo cons, deep state and Washington ideologues and their MSM propaganda machines.

    Whenever someone tries to bring the Federal government into account domestically or in our foreign policy, they combat it by doing what the satanist Saul Alinsky told them to do... and that is to accuse others of doing what they're doing so as to confuse people. We see this in our domestic policies with the attacks on Trump to cover up their own crimes, and we see it in our foreign policy when our government refuses to show proof of any accusations they make... while at the same time accusing Russia of non existent crimes.

    As for ISIS we're only fighting it in Iraq and the parts of Syria that we want to grab... such as the oil rich Raqqa. As for the rest of Syria, we are supporting ISIS and Al Queda so they can topple the legally recognized president of the country for not bowing to Washington's wishes. We are now continuing our illegal invasion of Syria and bringing troops and heavy equipment across the border of Jordan and lying about it by saying that Russia gave its permission... something Russia would never give since it doesn't have the right to give it.
    Unlike the US and its coalition which is invading and occupying a sovereign nation, Russia is there on Pres. Assad's request.

    Now you learned something....
     
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    US stupid actions has led to the creation of the Isis. And now the cowardly US soldiers bomb civilians by cemical weapons but are afraid to fight on the ground.
     
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    Whatever you think the motives are and who gets the oil, time to finish the job in the Mid East.

    The Communists were the big winners in WW 2, and we helped them grab all that territory.

    There are no Muslims wearing white hats.
     
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    Muslims are the primary aggressors in Iraq and Syria. Obama pulled us out of Iraq too soon, so he was also a big part of the problem---thankfully gone now.

    Speaking of cowardly scum, that would be any Islamic fighter that does not follow the Geneva Convention for wearing uniforms and rank, for setting up their bases under the cover of civilians. Using outlawed mines and IED's. Using child fighters. Using severe torture on victims. Not allowing the Red Cross access to any POW's.

    Here they are so you can gain an understanding on how civilized people operate: https://www.icrc.org/eng/war-and-la...a-conventions/overview-geneva-conventions.htm
     
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    USA created terrorists to overthrow undesirable governments and have an excuse to invade countries. The US steals people and tortures them in secret prisons. And US soldiers are moral freaks.


     
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    And? Screw Gaza.
     
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    This video must prove Bigfoot is real. Videos don't lie. :psychoitc:

     
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    Keep pretending to be an idiot. You are good at it.
     

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