I don't recollect the National Antehm being so sacred to our country

You did say that the values of the US should defended, celebrated, and promoted. You said nothing about some of those values being flawed and that they need to be improved.

So, make up your mind. Are all the values of the US supposed to be celebrated and defended, or aren't they?

What do I think? That the US is a miserable excuse for a first world country, that hides behind empty symbols and silly nationalistic rhetoric to conceal all the murders, rapes, corruption, starvation, and overall social misery that pervades it. But that's really beside the point.

 

Yes, all of the values set forth in our Constitution are to be celebrated and defended, including (better yet, especially) our ability to improve on them.

No, that's exactly the point.

 

I don't know where you live in America, but its not like the National Anthem equivocates to the Second Coming of Christ. This two-minute tune is taken way too seriously. I haven't stood up for the National Anthem since at the latest, middle school. But music tends to have that effect on people. Some take it as a tune from a higher power above, as your response dictates, and some just hear it and turn the radio station.

 

This statement means you have no solid retort, thanks for showing that.

 

Its not the music, its what it means and what it stands for. How about you join the military, travel the world, learn what it means to be an American and what the world thinks of America.

 

I would be a fool to join the military, and I mean that. Even your fat bastard boy Trump knew its better to avoid military service. I know what the world thinks of America, a lot of foreigners (notice I didn't say Muslims) have a disdain for the very things Trump is trying to do, and babbles on about.

 

Anyone who’s ever visited one of your threads knows it.

 

Again, your lack of a solid retort is showing. Thanks for stopping by.

 

To everyone.

 

Thanks for proving you hate America.

 

It has, throughout history, been a sign of fealty. A gesture made by a person of lesser station to one of higher stations.

They made sure in the Constitution that such would *never* be the case in America.

"Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince or foreign State."

What planet do *YOU* live on?

go here: www.nytimes.com/2016/09/02/sports/football/colin-kaepernick-kneels-national-anthem-protest.html

"Instead, the question being asked was whether Kaepernick was disparaging the sacrifices made by the military."

Trump's apartments were segregated by Trump's building manager. Go read about it! Nor did he call all Mexican rapists, only those illegal immigrants who are criminals. Go read about it. Nor did he advocate banning ALL Muslims as you imply. Only those from nations unable to vet those emigrating! Sessions is not a racist. *NOTHING* he did while an AG of Alabama indicates such. He was part of the prosecution of the first KKK member in Alabama.

All you are doing is parroting Marxist Democrat talking point lies.

More Marxist Democrat talking point lies. go here: http://thepoliticalinsider.com/black-executive-at-trump-organization/

No, the Marxist Democrat talking point lies are nothing more than propaganda meant to deceive their useful idiots.

Racial profiling of criminal suspects is *NOT* a violation of the US Constitution. Your viewpoint would send our police out every day without knowing the race of those suspected of crime. In 2013 over 90% of the crimes committed in the 88th Precinct of NYC were committed by blacks. To expect the police to not racially profile those who commit such a vast percentage of crime is utterly foolish. It is an idiotic viewpoint - but I don't expect anything more from the left you belong to.

Those protesting with Kapernick are protesting a lie. Hands Up, Don't Shoot has been a lie from the very beginning. There has not been a single, high profile case in the past five years where either the police officer responded correctly or *was* prosecuted for acting inappropriately. Being unarmed is *NOT* a defense. Mike Brown was unarmed. But when Mike Brown, a violent, criminal thug, weighing 300lbs physically attacked a 160lb police officer *everyone* should have expected the police officer to use deadly force in self-defense. Those who said that Brown was shot down while surrendered were proven to be liars. Not even Eric Holder believed that lie after the investigation was finished!

The following graph from the FBI tells the story of how *YOUR* meme and that of the left that police are brutal murderers hunting blacks to kill them have hamstrung police over the past three years.



Here is what the FBI has to say about murder: "n 2016, the estimated number of murders in the nation was 17,250. This was an 8.6 percent increase from the 2015 estimate, a 16.1 percent increase from the 2012 figure, and a 0.7 percent rise from the number in 2007."

As the left grinds down the capability of the police, based on Marxist Democrat talking point lies, we are seeing violent crime skyrocket in America.

Shame on the left. Shame on Kapernick! And shame on *YOU*!

The Ferguson prosecutor did *NOT* corrupt the FBI investigation which totally cleared Officer Wilson and blamed Mike Brown for the incident!

Go read about it!

Because there simply aren't that many cases of police officers doing something wrong!

The entire time King was fighting the police rather than obeying their orders. When you fight the police bad things happen. Why do people expect anything else? Should the police just let people go when they physically fight the police? That's *exactly* what you are proposing!

And you believe that study?

The districts that are in question today are ones the court system itself drew! You have one set of judges saying another set of judges drew the boundaries wrong! What in the hell do you expect the state legislature to do in such a case?

You don't even have the facts correct. You are repeating Marxist Democrat talking point lies!

The Marxist Democrats held the House for 40 years through gerrymandering till Newt Gingrich broke their hold. Where were you when this was going on?

What is *TRULY* amazing that in 1980 the black youth unemployment was only 23%. Today it is nearly 50% because of the Marxist Democrat minimum wage laws. In 1963, 70% of black women were married. Today it is less than than 50%. And 70% of black babies are born to single mothers.

These two factors are *SOLELY* the result of the Marxist Democrat policies Daniel Patrick Moynihan first warned the Marxist Democrats about in 1965. The Marxist Democrats didn't listen then and they aren't listening now. The oppression blacks are seeing today stem from unemployment and a lack of fathers as role models. It leaves too many youth floundering on the streets with no means of support other than criminal activity.

This isn't an issue of white supremacy. It is an issue of leftist politicians of ALL RACES thinking they can gain more political power by putting more and more people into poverty and promising them that things will get better tomorrow. Only they never get better, they only get worse and worse!

 

When dealing with leftist anything and everything is racially loaded, I don't even buy Aunt Jemima syrup anymore because of the looney left!

Ihops is better anyway and so far racial neutral, emphasis on "So far"! For any day I could be approached by some Leftist of color and accused of being a racist for NOT buy the Aunt Jemima syrup, yes, it's that screwed up in America today!

 

You're obviously a lot younger than me, so here's a quick example:
http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/new...ry-25th-anniversary/jf1o4z9qe1ai13ot11z0w58cl
Once Roseanne Barr sang the 33 bars of "The Star-Spangled Banner" in front of 27,000 strong, none of that mattered. The backlash would lead to Barr's brief disappearance from the stand-up circuit and a fear of public singing that persisted for more than a decade. Few who played or witnessed that doubleheader remember details of the game. But 25 years later, everyone remembers the Barr-Bungled Banner — not just a song, but a story of circumvented protocol, a sound problem, and perhaps, a player's suggestion that became a punchline gone wrong.

 

You're off your bloody head. It's the lack of an NHS no doubt.

 

So why does a majority of Americans stand & place a hand over their heart when the anthem is played? Oh, by the way, the NFL is allowing the players to violate their rule that teams must be on the sidelines before the anthem, stand and hold their helmets in their left hand! Yet, they would not allow the Dallas Cowboys to place a decal honoring five police officers killed during a "Black Lives Matter" protest! If this makes sense to you, then please explain why?

 

You know what the world thinks of America? Have you been outside of the United States? I'll bet I've lived in more countries than you have visited. And you live in "trumpland" yet don't even understand your neighbors, you don't even talk to them, so you certainly don't know what other cultures think of America. From your posts, its clear you follow propaganda from US media.

 

Good post, and how can I disagree? What you said is true. And yet I still cannot desecrate our national anthem. Perhaps I see it standing for an america of yesteryear, a vision. Of what I wished it were, a republic, not an oligarchy.

 

No kidding. That incident ruined her. NOW, she'd be applauded by the left. But we're a different nation. Its cool to HATE living here. The US is now BAD. All the liberals want us to be more like the Swiss or the Netherlands, or Sweden or even Germany....funny how white those nations are.../snicker

 

The National Anthem is played at the beginning of golf tournaments.

https://www.pgatour.com/news/2017/09/26/steve-stricker-preidents-cup-team-usa-national-anthem.html

 

Congress.

Then you were taught wrong. It's your right to not do either, but at least at the games I've been to, you'll get the stinkeye from most of the other fans.

 

Fun stuff here. Perhaps this is what happens when folks stop believing in everything around them. So many examples of the illiberal left hoping for the belief to be eroded to such an extent that what they introduce as the "new" belief systems will be acceptable. You know, all of those functional moray questions, single parenthood, social support networks based on demand not need, etc. And now we get to the fundamental attack from the left, the destruction of the national idea itself.

The sad truth here is that the nation of ours is only an idea. Make no mistake here, this is the thing truly under attack here. The nation and it's framework essentially invalidate the more sociopathic manifestations of the illiberal left, like the above. Transference of the idea of nation transposed with the stupidity of expecting those who are unable to stand to have to or else they cannot, themselves, demonstrate their own patriotism or expression of nation. This is perhaps one of the most base attempts to undermine the belief because hey, you can't overcome the dynamic of illiberal victimization that the poster above is both invoking and hiding behind.

Folks stand because it represents their respect for our nation. The flag or the anthem are just symbols of it. Not standing demonstrates not a "protest" but a deep disrespect of and for the nation. When keapernik decided to take a knee, his temper tantrum was directed at his benching for lack of professional production. His fantasy that this was somehow a "protest" was spoon fed to him, or associated to him by others. The ongoing adoption of the "protest" seems at best a demonstration of how some in the NFL find their own world being threatened and nothing more. Hyper privileged millionaires easily swayed into a public position of national disgrace.

Hey, NFL folks. Want to do something? Try actually working with local cities in an attempt to improve the police issues locally. Leave the disrespect for the nation somewhere else.

 

Dude it's Rare and you'd know that if you ever went to one.

... and The PGA does NOT Regularly do this and does NOT have any Rules for it.

Go do some more Googleing ... Next!

 

Now America is a "shining beacon"? I thought America wasn't great.

 

This is nothing more than the argumentative fallacy of Poisoning the Well. Since you can't attack the message you attack the messenger hoping to somehow discredit the message!

It's a typical tactic of the left. The left simply cannot compete in the arena of ideas. You are perfect proof.

Pathetic!

 

Only the left believes America isn't great and must be torn down.