CNN star Jim Acosta scolded by Mick Mulvaney amid ‘Schumer Shutdown’ briefing

Same situation. Then it was the pipeline, this time DACA.

 

Actually these kids are failing academically in a big way and you know what that bodes for their futures.
Portraying them as the golden gleaming future of this nation is just horse crap. Their graduation rates are a full 25% behind everyone else.

The left COULD get what they say they want but they really don't seem to want it. They want their illegal immigration cake and they want to eat it too. Let's see where that gets them.

 

Another thread where your aggregiously mispeaking Will? Polls in last election accurate? Sweet mother Mary and all the apostles... Are you having a few drinks tonite?

I don' trust any polls anymore but I sure as hell will agree that most Americans don' w DACA recipients deported. I'm speaking for liberals all the way to the the middle right where I'm at.

Also it's not fair to Blame the President for Dems hijacking a funding bill of our entire government when Dems aren't offering anything. It's not supposed to be there at all but ok when dipshit Acosta said control he's right in one regard.... Because the GOP controls both houses they control what's voted on not the outcomes. So ok they hijacked the funding bill..... Then Schumer and other idiot liberals get on Twitter and TV and lie about their offer.

It took me about six hours to get it all sorted. So give the average voter a week.

It's crazy. They are like terrorists who hijacked a plane want to get paid off but offer no hostages in return..

Haha

 

There is opposed as in "eh, we should probably let them stay" and then there is opposed as in "OMG we should shut down the entire government so they can stay!!!"

I lean towards the former, but do not support the latter.

And if Republicans back down, there may be no wall, no end to chain migration, no end to the lottery, and no immigration reform....

 

DACA kids are enrolled in college at the same rate as are native born kids.

It's not really that surprising that success in college hasn't been similar, as financial support (including, denial of residency tuition rates, not just other support) and estimated job chances for DACA kids are far lower. One has to take into account the situation.



There is no chance of negotiating immigration reform in the context of this spending bill.

Proposing THAT as a solution is ridiculous - even if you discount the inability of Trump and congressional Republican leadership accomplishing ANYTHING that requires negotiation. Trump waves in the wind - an astoundingly moving target ranging from asking for a DACA solution to actually killing the program.

 

You're trying to use blending of different issues as a defense mechanism.

I'm not interested.

 

No, there WILL be a wall. There is no doubt about that. There is already a direction for providing that.

It's only DACA that times out. All other issues may be negotiated in order to reach a solution.

And, that includes "chain migration" - where there are some ideas that I suspect could be interesting to those who do consider that we should allow some amount of immigration to the USA.

 

No one is denying oversampling.

Objectively and Directly refute the above links with citation, and I will ask a moderator to permanently ban this account.

Thank you.

 

"May" be negotiated. It is a big risk to assume that Democrats will work with Republicans to negotiate the other issues -- issues which do need to be sorted out. DACA is the Republicans' best leverage, period.

As obstructionist as Democrats have been with DACA on the table, what would possibly make a person think Democrats will be more cooperative once they've already gotten DACA?

 

It's from a blog trash blog. https://www.bombthrowers.com/article/mainstream-political-polls-commit-fraud/

https://www.bombthrowers.com/about-us/

He won't post the link because then his far right buddies will see it's from a blog and not upvote his post. Sadly for him, most of his citations are this bad. He doesn't know what oversampling and weighting are. The blog's entire theory/opinion is based off of the 2016 national polls being wrong, and as such oversampling being incorrect. As we know, from objective data, this was not the case. They were very correct in 2016 (and for decades prior as well). Making the entire blog trash. Which blogs usually are, as we all here in current events know.

Our citation of Real Clear Politics, Gallup, Pew Research, and the methodology pages of all of the highest rated Pollsters in NA (and more importantly, the methodology pages of the specific poll he is subjectively concerned with) are considerably superior sources than 1 obscure right wing conservative opinion blog.

His "debate" boils down to opinion. He thinks their oversampling is an issue. He can't prove it. He just....thinks it is. Forget all major research and polling groups. His opinion collides with this, because "he thinks". I'm sorry, but Guavaball, your citation is weak. Forget that it is some trash blog, it doesn't even name drop ABC/POST. You need the link to specifically show ABC/POST is an erroneous poll.

 

The POTUS didn't veto it. It never reached his desk. The cowards didn't bother voting on it. He just spoke out against it. This shutdown is on the worst Congress in the history of the Republic. All of them, Republican AND Democrat. Both failed their mission to protect and enhance the interests of the American People.

 

No, this is just false.

Democrats sponsored bipartisan immigration negotiation in both the Senate and the House during the Obama administration. They reached a bill that didn't get filibustered by Republicans (who were filibustering every bill imaginable), passed the Senate and would have passed the House if Boehner hadn't blocked the vote.

You seem to think that only Republicans think immigration is broken. That's just total myopia. There are significant areas of agreement on some of the problems - at least in identifying the problem.

The reason for the absolutism on DACA is that the program times out in 3 weeks, and there is NO CHANCE that Republicans have interest in passing a DACA related fix in that time. First of all, they can't pass much of anything at all.

So, failure means DACA kids, whose names and addresses are on file because they registered, will get deported to foreign countries - a HUGE impact on the lives of hundreds of thousands of kids who have done NOTHING wrong.

 

In this particular case, I'm really not sure what you think the Democrats could have done that didn't involve deporting DACA kids.

Trump very clearly provided a moving target, asking for resolution of major aspects of immigration within the timeframe of this bill - something that is clearly not possible.

 

I don't know if he's incompetent, but that was a stupid question. The quality of journalism has waned proportionate to the lowered academic standards.

 

It's possible. The cowards in Congress just have to behave like grownups, and reach an agreement and pass said agreement to the President. They don't need the President to HOLD their hand. Are they grown adults who won elections to get to Congress, or are THEY children too?

 

And now during the Trump administration they refuse to do anything but obstruct.

 

Click-bait Acosta, trying to appeal to his fans....

 

We've been coasting.

We used to reward sources that were careful with the truth. Publishing anything not true resulted in a financial hit on the individual, publication or both.

Today, we seem to be looking for nothing more than stories that confirm our opinion.

Outside of technology, it seems like science and education are melting.

 

Six pages, and we've found something we agree on

 

Well, sure. But, this congress can't do that and Trump isn't interested, either.

And, it really isn't possible to negotiate the issues Trump is demanding to be answered within the time frame of this spending bill - even if it had been know that was going to be required.


Like I've said, I'm convinced Trump is just working to create an election cycle issue.

He pumped both sides of the DACA issue, making it central and then he killed it (as of 3 weeks from now).

Anyone interested in a solution to ANYTHING would not have done that.

We're just seeing a partisan gambit, using DACA as a disposable hostage.

 

I don't believe that is fair.

Trump has pumped both sides of this issue and then canceled DACA then switched to a position of demanding resolution to multiple major immigration issues.

There is no chance of reforming immigration before the spending bill is passed.

And, if DACA isn't resolved, those kids will be deported to foreign countries - while ALL other immigrations issues can be negotiated in a responsible, adult fashion after the spending bill is passed.

DACA kids are being used as a partisan political pawns.

 

The protection is in effect till mid March so it isn't really an emergency. Funding the government is. There was a compromise offer on the table to protect the illegals if the wall was funded but that was rejected by the Schumer cabal. No doubt about it, Schumer and the Democrats own this shut down.

 

Well, emergency or not it IS a certainty the Trump is weaponizing DACA and that there IS a near term time limit that the Republican congress has NO way of meeting.

We're not going to see the highly divided Republicans in congress solve DACA and force that solution on Trump.

They haven't been able to stand up to Trump on ANY issue.

So after the spending bill, DACA is going to become just one issue in an immigration reform direction that is hugely divided even in the Republican party and which Trump is interested in using as a weapon, not as a problem that needs a solution.

 

Mid March? I think it is March 5.

Of course, the courts could weigh in again.

 

You want to put this all on Trump -- I get that -- but he wouldn't even need to use DACA as a "weapon" if the Democrats weren't so unwilling to cooperate on anything.