Sessions: DOJ inspector general to probe FISA abuse allegations

The IG doesn't have Grand Jury subpoena power, they don't have the tools to do an adequate investigation and whatever they come up with will take at least a year. The Republic can hardly take another year of partisan paralysis of government.

Jeff Sessions should sit down and read the FISA requests AND the transcripts of the FISA hearings. Assuming that he is smarter than a box of rocks, it should be obvious if there is any there there. If there is apparent unethical and/or illegal behavior he should get a respected U.S. attorney who is at least 1000 miles from the beltway swamp and let him have at it.

I am confident that Jeff will do nothing of the sort. Some people hold out hope that he is conducting a behind the scenes investigation. This is a fairy tale. There is no way in today's Washington that a team of prosecutors, investigators and staff could operate without leaks. I don't know what motivates this man but it is either incompetence, fear of criticism or blackmail for some unknown skeleton in his closet.

 

The evidence does no such thing.

And we have not been talking about Russian collusion for two years.

The intelligence community did not issue its assesment on Russian meddling until October of 2016, and the first hints of possible collusion did not appear in public until the Flynn firing.

 

I really don't understand your continued obsession with the Steele dossier.

We all know that the first FISA warrant predated the existance of this document.

For that matter, Page's meeting with the Russians in Moscow predated it too.

So, going on about it's admissibility and tainted juries makes no sense at all.

Particularly since we know that Page lied about his activites in Moscow, by his own admission.

I keep asking why the right wing noise machine and Devin Nunes seem so obsessed about mounting a spin campaign against the potential indictment of Carter Page, trying to plant the idea in the right wing mind that any such indictment must be hopelessly tainted.


Why is Carter Page so important???????

I'm asking once again since this is a obvious political smoke screen to give him cover and you don't seem to have figured out that you're being played by the noise machine.

And spare me Trumpian crocodile tears about due process or individual rights, or any of this phony baloney about defending the republic. Donald Trump doesn't give a good *******n about either, and neither does Devin Nunes.

 

Really? We have nearly twenty verified meetings between Trump campaign officials and various agents and operatives of the Russian governemnt during a Presidential campaign. And we know that practically all of these people lied about those meetings, until confronted with direct evidence.

We know that Jared Kushner tried to set up a secret back channel between the Russian and the Trump transisition team, until the Russians themselves told him it was risky and irresponsible idea. We have that by his own admission too.

There's plenty more, all of which has been widely reported. I won't say that you are aware of all of it, as I've seen Trumpsters have lately developed a collective case of selective amnesia regarding basic facts of the Russia probe and what is publicly known about it.

 

No one GIVES two shits about Carter Page. Other than he happened to be the target of a misguided application(at best), with very questionable "intelligence"(at best.) From a self-serving foreign bastard. You can take away the document(note, I don't call it a dossier. I don't treat lies on a paper with a sense of veracity in the same sense you distrust Trump.) and the application is still improper. Yes, it's absolutely about these agents breaking protocol.

You are blinded by the "Evil Trump" to not be able to recognize what we're dealing with, at this time. A total breach of our court system. Criminals are expected to lie in a court room. Prosecutors? Federal Agents? They are held to higher standards(except by you.)

And while yes, Page has lied about significant details of his Moscow trip, we cannot determine what reasons he lied for, or whether or not he's criminally liable. That's up for our law enforcement agencies. And if anyone would seek to arrest Page, it would be the FBI as a result of this probe. So the lackthereof an arrest, is more proof that the warrant shouldn't have been granted.

Title I demands Page's arrest. Or it demands that they tell the Judge that they cleared Page of being a spy. One, or the other.

American civil rights are not about to be butchered any further, because you hate "The Evil Trump".

 

Campaign officials talk to foreign representatives all the time there is nothing illegal about especially after they win and become the transition team.

Yes the Russian government wanted to send some classified information of theirs to the transition team for future discussions, they looked into to it said would not be practical and told them wait until we are in the WH had have secure communications. Nothing there.

And it that is the best you got you got plenty of nothing once again.

Show me the EVIDENCE OF A CRIME. Not your projections or suppositions, or maybe's or conjecture. HARD SOLID EVIDENCE.

And clear up something, what constitutes a "meeting" with Russian officials?

 

Well, this is another Trumspter gimmick.

Ignore the facts, use a cartoon as a substitute for an argument.

 

"So the lackthereof an arrest, is more proof that the warrant shouldn't have been granted."

Evidently, when you were becoming an expert on law, you weren't exposed to logic.

 

All of your claims are false (again)

it is NOT NORMAL for officials of a US Presidential campaign to engage in almost regular communication with intelligence and political operatives of foreign power during an election. But you can try and prove otherwise.

You won't because you can't, and we both know it.

You obviously made up the claim that the Russians wanted to send some classfied information to the transition team. Sorry, but it was Kushner that reached out to the Russians, not the other way around. And when that didn't work, they tried again through Eric Prince.

And if there is a crime involved, I have no doubt that you will see the evidence in due course.

Of course, the right wing noise machine will manufacture a whole catalog of bogus arguments that the evidence isn't evidence or isn't admissible (as in this campaign to cover Page). We're used to that.

 

First of all, no one has cleared Carter Page of having worked for the Russians. They just didn't charge him with espionage.

They may yet.

In fact, I fully expect that Mueller will announce an indictment simultaneously with a plea deal.

And I suspect he will have a story to tell, since he was the bag man.

As I said, neither Devin Nunes nor Donald Trump give two shits about anyone's civil rights. That's about the weakest argument you can make.

 

Oh, you people. You want to go back decades to see if Trump did anything wrong, but it took 4 years to squeeze out of Obama that he was a citizen and eligible to work in this country. The left calls Trump a traitor without proof and they won't take his word that he isn't, they also called Obama a citizen based merely on his word and without proof.

 

This is how the left rationalizes
their anti civil liberties fascism. We believe you are evil so we give ourselves permission to become even more evil ourselves.

 

They were granted surveillance literally like only a few days or a few weeks after that initial hearing, and it was subsequently granted another THREE times. Do you think the four judges are going to wait, indefinitely for the FBI's report?(Had the information not come to light, and had Page not testified about the abuses in the House committee, I grant to you that just might've happened.)

Hell no, Title I demands, what it demands. It's not a right wing talking point. It's a law they're supposed to follow. If I was a judge, and in light of the new information that the DOJ was clearly never going to give me, I call them back and at least ask the following: Is Page a proven Russian Spy? Not "we got intelligence", no satisfy the demands the law requires. Is he a spy, engaging in nefarious activities or is a terrorist? If not, I cannot reasonably BY LAW grant you this authorization.

It's not about Carter Page specifically, it's about the next Page. It could be you or me, or anybody. The reason the FBI didn't want the Nunes Memo released, is people like me who no longer given them even a crumb of trust. Because violating trust means you are now suspected. The FBI showed us both, that it just like any other criminal can slip by the law.

Sorry, no, not going to happen. If we the American People can't trust you with this, we're going to have to take the toy away. Follow the old rules of the Fourth Amendment. Get a search warrant, convene a jury.

 

They'll wait as long as they need to.

BTW, FISA courts can grant emergency warrants pending presentation of all the evidence.

You aren't making a civil liberties arument, even though you've been conned into thinking you are.

You don't give the FBI "a crumb of trust", but you give Trump the entire loaf. Pitiful!

 

Trump's the Commander in Chief, the FBI Agents are merely agents of the State. And it seems many intel agents do not understand this significant difference. Their loyalty is to the country and to the Commander. While we say "swear to the Constitution", the executive branch is de-facto powerless without the Commander. All lawful orders go through him.

No matter how much you hate Donald Trump the human being. The Executive Branch can only be overruled if it's activities are unlawful. If not, then no matter what political position the President takes, it is legally recognized(now whether Congress acts in accordance with the President or not, as we've witnessed is up to them.)

The Agents in this case, presumed themselves to be the law, defiled Federal Court and unlawfully gained the power to spy on a US Citizen. This however, is perfectly okay for you. That to me, is pitiful.

 

MSNBC made that perfectly clear yesterday... when the cartoons start coming (and posted quickly), you are quite possibly talking to a bot..... beware!

 

No, my little delusional leftist American. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't make them a Russian bot. The Mueller indictment states(and Rosenstein, Comey stated the same thing) that the Russians wanted to sow chaos and discord in America.

Thanks to the state of the Democratic Party, they have succeeded. There's no further need for a significant infilitration. All they have to do is show presence for you to lose your mind.

 

Any Russian presence in the business of our country should cause any true American to "lose their mind" - Or as I like to call it, "demand accountability and answers"...those that haven't "lost their mind" are highly suspect in my book.

EDIT - and that especially includes any poster on here who relies on cartoons.....

 

Sorry, but contrary to you earnest wish, this is not a facist state. We pledge alliegance to the flag, and elected officials recite the same pledge that the President does on Inauguration day.

Although Trump got his mob to pledge alliegance to him during his rallies (like someone else I can think of) we do not pledge fealty to a king, emporor or President.

And when you have one that flouts the rule of law as openly as this one does, there's a reason for that.

Your claim that agents defied a Federal Court has no basis in fact at all. It's ridiculous.

BTW, if you think the actions of the Executive branch can only be overruled if the action is illegal, you're living in the wrong country, because that's certainly not true in the United States.

 

Good, we can finally show nothing wrong was done.

 

Of course.

And the RW Fever Swamp never runs out of Parrots (to spread their delusional BS online).

 

It really is amazing. And disgusting.

 

Yeah.

They wake up every morning and check their social media feeds, to see what Alex Jones, Breitbart, and Hannity, Etc. have to say.

Then, without even factoring in the Lying Absurdity of the RW BS, they come to places like this and wallpaper it with the RW Fever Swamp Diarrhea.

And, they still wonder why nobody (outside of their RW BS echo chamber) takes them seriously?

 

You guys are too easy!

The Department of Justice Inspector General (IG) Michael Horowitz is investigating FBI and DOJ abuses in the investigation of the Clinton email scandal. That email scandal is directly linked to the FISA abuse scandal, given that both involve several of the same players at FBI, guys with names like Strzok, McCabe and Comey.

Horowitz has already been investigating the abuse of the FISA process — he could hardly help coming across evidence of wrongdoing in that case.

The president correctly states that the IG does not have prosecutorial powers. But he does have the power to make criminal referrals to the Attorney General. What is going to have more public credibility, indictments issued by the Republican DOJ attorneys working for a Republican AG, or indictments sought by the Republican AG on the advice of an IG who, as Trump also reminds us, was appointed by former President Barack Obama?

Session's Response: “… this Department will continue to do its work in a fair and impartial manner according to the law and Constitution.” What could be more fair and impartial than relying on an Obama appointee with a spotless reputation for fairness and impartiality to conduct these investigations? And who, by the way, every Democrat talking head on TV is now defending without qualification, precisely because of the president’s exchange with his attorney general today.

Don and Jeff throwing hamburger chunks into the air, the Establishment news media reflexively knee jerking with the Democrat talking heads to defend and praise IG Horowitz as an upright and impartial arbiter of the facts.

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

His 14-month investigation results are due next week. The report is going to contain numerous findings of criminal wrongdoing, not only related to the FBI’s fake investigation of the Clinton email server, but to related scandals like Uranium One and the Clinton Foundation. The report will likely also include numerous referrals to the attorney general and his staff for prosecution of Obama-era officials.

The news media, which is just the propaganda arm of the Democrat Party, will have an initial knee-jerk response to go after Horowitz and try to destroy him personally, but that’s going to be pretty hard to do, given that they will have just spent a week praising him to the rafters in their never-ending efforts to try to harm Trump.

https://www.lifezette.com/polizette/how-to-read-wednesdays-trump-tweet-about-jeff-sessions/