Ghost guns controversy

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  1. TOG 6

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    Zip guns are not the issue here.....terrorists getting weapons onto planes or into security areas is. For your education: https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/31/us/3d-printed-plastic-guns/index.html
     
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    Interesting point.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Come on back anytime you'd like me to embarrass any argument you'd like to try.
     
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    It sounds as if, with a slight improvement in technology, that this would be a perfect assassin's weapon!

    I'm sure the skinhead and white supremacist crowd is all over this, as are the usual characters in the Middle East.
     
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    Of course you are.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is your solution? At some point, the legal distinction between 'gun part' and 'scrap metal' must be made. Currently, that distinction is made for an 80% complete receiver. What would you propose be done to make it harder to manufacture firearms at home?
     
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    It is amusing watching folks parse over largely unimportant distinctions.

    It will be inevitable that the firearms industry will tell it's lobbyist in DC to begin supporting meaningful national gun regulation.

    Why do I say that?

    Because, as so many people on this thread have already pointed out (most of whom do not share my political view, either), that this technology is the perfect vessel for taking guns underground, or off the grid.

    This is a material threat to the munitions industry, and they will use their considerable political clout to legislate against this probability.

    Which does not mean that printed guns will go away. But it does mean that printing one, and being in possession of a printed one will be a crime, punishable by a stiff fine and or sentence.
     
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    Nonsense. "Ghost guns" cannot be legally sold, and so do not represent a commercial threat to gun makers.
    There will be no push for the repeal of the section of the Gun Control Act of 1968 that allows people to manufacture a firearm w/o a serial number.
     
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    I am pretty sure that events will prove otherwise.

    The gun industry has been very adept at maintaining a status quo of state by state regulation, often deliberately underfunded and poorly enforced which has insured a steady flow of product into the hands of all sorts of shady characters.

    They've worked hard at this for years.

    For these guys to be able to print their own guns will represent a significant threat to their business model.
     
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    For no rational reason whatsoever.
    People have been able to legally manufacture their own guns for 50 years; these guns are not legal for sale.
    Nothing has changed.
    Unsupportable nonsense.
     
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    Very amusing. I spent years programming industrial machine tools, I am NRA certified as a range safety officer and a pistol instructor and you think I need an education on 3D guns. I think you need an education on just how vulnerable any commercial mode of travel is to determined terrorism. The 9/11 terrorists took over aircraft with box cutters. Highly effective knives can be made from modern materials that cannot be detected by magnetometers or X-ray. Have you ever seen the James Bond movie "The Man With The Golden Gun"? A bit of engineering and pieces that assemble into a gun can be hidden in other things. Madmen that want to shoot up things have access to real guns. Why bother with something that is not reliable?
     
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    Don't fall for the facade.
    The left knows 3D printing spells the end of their dreams of the state having a monopoly on force.
     
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    The wheel took a long time to replace the horse. This, also, has a ways to go.
     
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    Not legally. Also, the gun was designed and first printed during the Obama administration. The files are out there for free download if you have a little patience. If the gun can't be seen by metal detectors it's against federal law.
     
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    Perhaps - but technology moves quickly.
     
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    That's not what a ghost gun is. A ghost gun is a gun that doesn't have a serial number. So, yes, these plastic guns are ghost guns, but most ghost guns can be seen by a metal detector. Two different issues here. Read your OP article, as the two are differentiated in it. Do you not read?
    From your original linked article: (note to other readers. He posted this article in the first post in this thread).
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...try-fear-new-era-untraceable-firearms-n889536

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_gun

     
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    Clearly, he didn't read it.
    Typical.
     
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    No definition in that article. Read your original article. it defines ghost gun.

    It's not a semantic game. It's technical, and words mean things. Anti-gunners use half-lies by being sloppy with terminology. Again, words have meanings, and if you use words to mean things that they don't necessarily mean, IMHO, you are lying or at the least intending to deceive. The term ghost gun means a gun without a serial number. Some ghost guns may also be undetectable by a metal detector, but that's not part of the definition of ghost gun.
     
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    Honestly, it really doesn't matter if a gun is detectable by a metal detector or not. TSA fails more often than not in detecting guns or bombs in tests.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-tests-latest-undercover-operation-us-airports/story?id=51022188

    The sad thing is that the 80% failure rate is an improvement.

     
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    3D printer technology is advancing faster than you think.

    They can now print anything with metal alloys which last longer than manufactured products. They are cost prohibitive so far but the price is dropping and people are starting to buy them.

    They will render the gun control argument over and moot aqs no one will be able to control what one makes at home.
     
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    a 3D printer thats able to mill metal is in the tens of thousands if not more
     
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    Wrong only $250.00.

     
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    Remember the snit that leftist threw when Glocks first hit the marketplace?
     
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    Nothing has changed?

    Everything has changed! This entire thread is all about that fact.

    Sure, you could make your own gun. But you needed a foundary and a machine shop and the necessary skills.

    No skills are required now.

    And that's a real threat to the manufacturers.
     
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