Ghost guns controversy

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by kungfuliberal, Aug 7, 2018.

  1. TomFitz

    TomFitz Well-Known Member

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    That's true. It's still fairly common now to print a pattern piece and use it to make a mold.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    that is a plastic 3D printer I'm referring to a programable CNC metal milling machine
     
  3. REALITY CHUCK

    REALITY CHUCK Well-Known Member

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    True - big time. The amusing part is how slow Democrats move. The 30 round magazine for the AR has been available as a 3D program for years and it works perfectly. Democrats, however, are still trying to ban the manufacture and sale of high-capacity magazines, especially for the AR. Thechnology moves on, but politicians are still stuck in the mud.
     
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    You didn't watch the whole thing.

    They have a mill for 250 dollars which can form the lower receiver out of metal. The rest of the parts are not controlled or traced and can easily be bought.
     
  5. HereWeGoAgain

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  6. kungfuliberal

    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    Read ALL the article, as it pertains to current events. Every so often, new situations come along that change old definitions.

    "Wilson has been getting attention because the U.S. State Department recently agreed to end its prohibition of his online publication of blueprints that allow anyone to make an untraceable firearm from scratch using a 3D printer."
     
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  7. kungfuliberal

    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    the "solution" in this particular instance is quite simple.....DO NOT PUT THESE THINGS OUT ON THE INTERNET. PERIOD!
     
  8. kungfuliberal

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    Nothing "amusing" about you skirting FACTS in favor of some movie scenario. The 9/11 terrorists were red flagged LONG before, and SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED ON THOSE PLANES. Since then, box cutters that ping on metal detectors are not allowed. And we're not talking about knives right now, we're talking about untraceable guns that can beat the metal detector and will be available to the masses (printers can be bought). And spare me this "unreliable" crap, because research shows that is not quite the case, if you had bothered to read the links I provided. It's a stupid move to appease some near psychotic fixation of arming the masses against a potential totalitarian government.
     
  9. kungfuliberal

    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    What do you mean "not legally?" That's he whole point, as the "legal" is being given. Read the links provided, please.
     
  10. modernpaladin

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    Its only simple if you don't know anything about fabrication.
    If you can sell a metal pipe on the internet, then you can sell an 80% shotgun barrel on the internet because they're the same thing. If you can sell a section of 1/8" steel sheet on the internet, then you can sell an 80% AK47 receiver on the internet because they're the same thing.

    Gun parts are indistinguishable from other machine parts at some level prior to completion. Control of those parts would require control of such a vast array of non-gun parts that can be made into gun parts that the control is not realistically feasible.

    Have you considered how much more funding the ATF would require to do a background check on everyone who purchases a 1/8" steel plate larger than 6"x6"? And thats just one of 10,000 examples of parts that can easily be made into gun parts.

    A carbeurator has about 15 parts on it useful in the creation of a firearm. Should we require a background check or a gun liscence to buy carbeurators online? Should we ban them?

    Guns are simple machines. The mechanism that auto-loads a bullet into a chamber was easily and reliably mass-produceable a hundred yers ago. There is literally no way to stop people from building guns, no matter how much you want to.

    If you ban the sale of 80% AR receivers, they will simply be remarketed as custom milled aluminum intake manifolds or something, and ppl will still use them to build guns.
     
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  11. Maccabee

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    Too late. Once it's on the internet, it's there forever.
     
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    Why do you hate the free exchange of information?
     
  13. kungfuliberal

    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    Nah, just treat guns like you do cars....license, registration and classes/test for competency.
     
  14. kungfuliberal

    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    Chalk up another idiocy to the rabid/fringe elements of "anti-government" Americans. Also, it may be out there, but making it harder to retrieve (and illegal) is the best that can be done.
     
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    Excellent.
    -I don't need a license to buy a car own a car, possess a car, keep it on my property, or use it in public property.
    -I don't need to register a car to own it, possess it, keep it on my property or operate in on private property.

    I'm sure you'll now change your mind, move the goalpost, or equivocate.
     
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    Stay focused...we're talking about the REALITY of these non-detectable plastic guns being put out on the net for 3d printers....NOT (yet another) one of your concocted scenarios that detracts from the discussion.
     
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    Good to know you advocate the burning of books and making knowledge illegal.
     
  18. kungfuliberal

    kungfuliberal Well-Known Member

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    True...and the idiocy of paranoid anti-government types continues to endanger the general populace further. Sad.
     
  19. HereWeGoAgain

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    And what about guns made at home with a 3D printer? There is no way to control that.
     
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    Not so! You can ban knowledge!
    You! You know something you are not allowed to know! To jail!
     
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    HereWeGoAgain Banned

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    You can in principle but not in reality. The plans, or I guess the instruction set for making guns on 3D printers is already out.
     
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    That's closing the barn door after the horse ran out. These plans, etc., are already out on the internet. There is no putting that genie back in the bottle (to use another metaphor). Also, there is nothing illegal about making guns for personal use per federal law, unless you are otherwise prohibited from owning guns, or you make an illegal gun.
     
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    That's only to use a car on public roads. I can buy a car and use it on my own property without a driver's license, registration or classes/test for competency. I can allow an 8 year old child to drive on my own property. Heck, I can own a car that's not even legal to drive on streets in the U.S. and use it on my own property.
     
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    Lecturing me on 'REALITY' and in the same breath pretending you can stop the flow of information on the internet... I guess there really is such a thing as 'absurdly absurd.'
     
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    Can't get the ammo past a metal detector. So without bullets you have a plastic toy gun.. guess you could hit someone over the head with it.. might leave a small bump to somones head!
     
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