Joel Greenberg, Matt Gaetz assossiate, will plead GUILTY

So if Trump believed it to be true then he wasn't lying. He wasn't trying to "destroy DEMOCRACY". He believed it to be true and was defending that belief. You can claim he was wrong in that belief but that doesn't make it lying.

 

Congratulations.....you win the “Everyone knows” award for today...

 

Listen again to his coercive phone call to Raffensberger (sp?). This was not a man ‘seeking the truth’. This was a man demanding whatever was needed to make him win...

 

If Trump really believed he was robbed of the election, he is even crazier than the majority of voters believed.

Bill Barr, the DOJ, the FBI, Chris Krebs, 59 justices, and every Supreme Court justice all told him he was wrong.

No, Trump doesn't believe what he's saying and it was a long built strategy to stay in power and make as much money as possible in the process.

Fortunately, it didn't work.

 

Trump really believe what he was saying and as you confirmed that means he wasn't lying. Wrong but not lying.

 

I listened to and read and Trump believes that there were enough problems with the election it cost, you are free to disagree with him but that is what HE believes. A lie is when you state something you know to be untrue. He was demanding audits and for the courts to hear his case about alledged inpropriaties as every candidate has a right to do and as Stacy Abrahams still holds to this day she is the legitimate governor of Georgia.

 

Can you read minds?

 

He can honestly believe it and still try to destroy democracy. He pressured several representatives to overturn their democratic elections. He pressured Pence to do the same. He failed, but yes, he still, objectively, tried to destroy our democracy, no matter how sincerely he believed that such destruction was a good idea.

 

This is not true.

Of course, publicly, Trump claimed that there had been massive fraud, but when his lawyers went to court, they didn't dare to plead fraud because they didn't have any evidence.

And a lawyer can be held in contempt of court and lose his license if he presents a frivolous case.

This is why almost all of the cases (59/60) were dismissed for lack of merit.

Rule 3.1 of the American Bar Association’s Model Rules of Professional Conduct—upon which most state bars rely at least in part—stipulates that a lawyer shall not bring an action unless a basis exists in law and fact for doing so. This rule implies that lawyers must do due diligence to inform themselves of the facts of the case and reasonably determine that a good-faith argument can be made in defense of the client’s legal claim. Rule 11(b) of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure—many of which are designed to serve as “gatekeepers” against frivolous lawsuits—requires lawyers to ensure that their arguments are not frivolous, and that factual contentions either have or are reasonably likely to have evidentiary support. Although the courts do not often exercise their discretion to enforce it, Rule 11(c) provides judges with the authority to impose sanctions against lawyers who have violated Rule 11(b).

From the beginning, this story has been a gigantic operation to pump as much money as possible from the most gullible donors in the Republican Party.

 

Ahhh Trump's not a lawyer and it is what he believed, he believed it true so he wasn't lying.

 

Not according to what he believed, he believed he was protecting it from a fraudulent election. He wasn't lying about it.

 

Don't have to read his mind he was quite clear it is YOU who are trying to read his mind not me.

 

LOL! I should have said "virtually everyone" knows that election rigging and vote fraud have always been common in America. You are apparently exceptional and do not know.

"It remains true, however, that flagrant examples of such fraud in other parts of the country have been documented throughout this Nation’s history ... not only is the risk of voter fraud real but that it could affect the outcome of a close election."
Crawford v. Marion County Election Bd., 553 U.S. 181 (200 (emphasis mine)

Now you know.

 

So he’s not evil. He’s insane.

 

No........

 

Most of the people that prefer much younger (talking illegal age) sexual partners have control issues. There is also some sick entertainment value in knowingly breaking the law ("hiding in plain sight").

 

And now you are being grossly dishonest. The comment to which I replied had nothing to do with a history of fraud in your country. It was in response to your claim that “everyone knows that the Democrat bosses are active election riggers”. If you can’t be accurate, at least be honest....

“Everyone knows” no such thing. In fact, from the evidence that has come forward over the last several elections, it is much more likely to find a Republican sympathiser rigging an illegal vote...

 

You seem to have been disinformed about election integrity in the US, and the DP.
DP bosses have been caught red handed rigging elections. Is this "news" to you?
Really? Here is the full confession of the inconvenient truth:

"Before I called Bernie Sanders, I lit a candle in my living room and put on some gospel music. I wanted to center myself for what I knew would be an emotional phone call."

I had promised Bernie when I took the helm of the Democratic National Committee after the convention that I would get to the bottom of whether Hillary Clinton’s team had ***rigged*** the nomination process, as a cache of emails stolen by Russian hackers and posted online had suggested. I’d had my suspicions from the moment I walked in the door of the DNC a month or so earlier, based on the leaked emails. But who knew if some of them might have been forged? I needed to have solid proof, and so did Bernie."

"It would be weeks before I would fully understand the ***financial shenanigans*** that were keeping the party on life support."

"By September 7, the day I called Bernie, I had found my ***proof*** and it broke my heart."
POLITICO, Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC, When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign., By DONNA BRAZILE November 02, 2017. (*** mine)
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

Which in part explains why so many thinking progressives supported Trump.

 

Politics and Religion... I feel a nuke a coming.

 

The two are intertwined with Trump and comes Back to the issue of his mental illness - narcissism. He very likely believes untruths because his reality is warped

 

Nothing short of how Entrapment works.Likened to an undercover
cop { Narc } who traipse around with long hair and Hippie clothes
almost begging to join others smokin' pot.There was one these guys where I
lived in the late 70's.The difference was everyone knew who he was.
Same thingy here.A combination of proving an association with someone
is the same as what that someone does.So in that case,let's round up
every personal associate of John Wayne Gacy and force some kind of
confession.The left thinks that just kitschy kool.
The Andrew Weissmann Model { lead pit bull for Mueller's fraudulent
Special Counsel Investigation }.This Weissmann left the Mueller Special
Counsel task force in the nick of time.Before it was learned what stuff was
pulled.Ran off to teach at a couple N.Y. Law schools.Biding his time with
appearances on MSNBC.

 

Trump has no excuse for being so ignorant, especially at present. Even to this day he is claiming that the election was stolen from him.

 

That's part of what kills me. Yeah, I get that your normal, everyday person could be willingly ignorant . . . but a President? That's bull ****.

 

You can post your ad homs about it all you want it still doesn't make what he said a lie. Stacy Abrahams goes around to this day claiming her election was stolen from her and she should be governor. Hillary Clinton goes around to this day saying she lost because of Russian collusion and she should be President. Are they ignorant too?

 

He's not mentally ill get over it.