judge just struck down Gov. DeSantis' mask mandates ban, saying he didn't have the power to order it

I'm just the opposite, socialized medicine works for the benefit of mankind. IN my view, it is a necessary aspect of civilization. All western civilizations have it. America is the only one debating the issue. It's not a radical concept, it is the norm.

You are not paying for anything. Per the US constitution, the government has a legitimate claim on a portion of your income. The nature of taxation is not payment for something and something is returned for that payment, taxation is not 'quid pro quo'. Those who look at it that way have a thorough misunderstanding as to the nature of taxation.

What that means is that that portion does not belong to you. It belongs to the state. It is NOT 'your money'. It is the government's. See, there's this thing Called America, a civilization. and to administer civilization, the very same civilization of which you are part, it must be paid for, hence the constitution specifies that a portion of individual income belongs to the state. As for how the government spends the money, that is determined by elected officials. Elected! Get it? It's called democracy. Democracy means that someone is not being pleased at all times, but that fact is the nature of democracy, some get their way, some do not. Taxation will always pisses off some group, somewhere, and when your guy is in office, the other group gets pissed. That's democracy, love it or hate it. That is our system.

 

Can we apply the same approach for fat people and say diabetes. Cause, like, they (obese) are not exercising personal responsibility.

And another point. Our government has waived drug company liability for these vaccinations. Why do you suppose they have done so?

 

Fractional slavery was foisted upon Americans by a progressive President in the early 1900’s. Since then central control has exploded. Exactly the opposite of what was intended.

 

Excellent post, and you bring up a very good point that I was eluding to(though not quite as eloquently.) We both know that humans are predominately psychological creatures at heart. While the temptations, behaviors, etc differ from country to country and social norm to social norm, the reason that there are few leaders and many followers is that our nature is naturally conductive to that. That's not necessarily a bad thing either.

So to illustrate: They help, yes(and probably more effective in isolated pocketed cases(ie: fewer numbers) but when it comes to a casualty of general society(much larger than a small group setting) then that effectiveness wanes away if it's only at 20-40%. So from a psychological standpoint, what did people see?

People wore the masks, which we know now to be 20-40% effective, and expected it to be much more effective then it actually was. Once said effectiveness didn't live up to our psychological hype, the masks lost their attractive value. Add in the political symbolism that still rages about the coronavirus, and there you go.

With vaccines, Delta is truly unfortunate. If Delta didn't happen, i actually think vaccine rates would have continued to uptick. But everyone knows now about how Delta can cause "breakout cases" which from a pure psychological perspective is very defeating. Imagine thinking you wore the masks, you got the vaccines and you still get the coronavirus. You did everything you were told to do, but it's still not enough.

And because it's not enough, we're still in the dark. We pretty much have to trust scientists/doctors that they do know, but do they? It's a credible question. Risk is paramount to life and society, and there's a risk we can die at any time. But I think for most people, the difference between your body developing a virus(opps, that sucks.) and injecting yourself with something that could cause either the virus itself or complications, is a very different type of risk.

So despite how easy it would be to say "those damn Republicans"(and let's say that the math holds up and it is indeed those Damn Republicans), it's a lot more than that. This has been a psychologically draining and hard war on the human race.

 

They are demanding that you demonstrate obedience to them. If masks were truly important they would wear them as more than props.

This is interesting. 4 of 5 times folks sharing a home with COVID positive don't catch it.

1 in 5 people with COVID-19 pass it to others in household, study finds.

 

The spikes drop as fast as they rise. Dr Farr created a formula for predicting this called Farr’s law.

 

Diabetes and obesity can be caused by genetic disorders — also I wasn’t aware the government gave free vaccines to prevent either of these.

Desperate whataboutism

 

Not whataboutism. Rather, an example of how you only want to apply the concept of personal responsibility and the availability of medical treatment when it aligns with a political agenda.

 

Again, is there a free vaccine for obesity or diabetes? Can these items be caused by factors beyond the individuals control?

Absolute whataboutism

 

Ok Boomer.

 

You'll need to get specific.

 

Well, don't forget, yes, there are breakthrough cases with delta occuring to vaccinated, but those stats are diminished with the vaccinated, and the odds of dying via delta or covid, are nil once vaccinated. 99.99% of all covid deaths are with the non vaccinated group, per CDC. Is this not true?

there are anti vaxxers in both groups, but in dems, it's 10% or so, and with repubs, it's thrice that. Those are the stats I've read.

 

The larger point is that the judge failed to protect the parents' right to manage the affairs of their children's lives.

 

Masks are not an “item of clothing”…they are safety devices that people are required to use in certain circumstances. It’s no different than requiring people to ‘wear’ a seatbelt when driving…

 

I'm not getting sick from covid. I'm healthy, and herd immunity was reached last year sometime. If I do get sick from covid, I know I have a 99% chance of surviving it.

You've been duped, and you still don't realize it, making the situation comical.

 

Right mate, and the government is here to help you.

 

Duped…?? Over 650,000 of your countrymen have died, many needlessly, from this disease. More than 1300 died just yesterday…

I think I know who’s been duped…

 

The cure for being fat, i.e., reducing calorie intake, is free.

 

If you don’t believe people like you — that believe they will not get sick — are clogging up our hospitals then you are unsurprisingly not paying attention.

 

You are very unsurprisingly and thoroughly indoctrinated. Gold star for you.

 

Judge is wrong,
DeSantis is right.
Wait for the higher courts to weigh in.

A MAJOR LYING FAKE NEWSPAPER IMPLIED THAT 901 FLORIDA RESIDENTS DIED OF COVID IN A SINGLE DAY. IT WAS ACTUALLY AS LOW AS EIGHT. This is why people hate the lying fake news media.

The Lying Fake News "Miami Herald on Thursday ran with this shocking and arresting headline: Florida COVID update: 901 added deaths, largest single-day increase in pandemic history."

"the number is plainly supposed to indicate that the pandemic is spiraling out of control as deaths skyrocket to unimaginable numbers."

And the obligatory lying graph:

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Liars. All of them.

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I see you have moved to dodging questions in defense of your pathetic debate strategy. Interesting.

 

I guess it makes more sense to someone of your caliber that it is a vast global conspiracy. Your cheer and disregard for the amount of people that have died is disturbingly on point for what I expected.

 

A State Judge! This will be overturned so fast the incident will disappear in under a week.

 

Argument from analogy is a valid debate technique. Can you demonstrate the analogy I used is not valid? You tried that once and failed with the "vaccination is free" claim and I responded by pointing out that not eating was free for fat people who got diabetes.

Insults are not a respectable debate strategy. Just sayin.