Calling it Now: If Poland Sends Planes - It's WW3

Many of you probably don't know a lot about the history of Poland and Russia. Those slavs never forget. Throughout history, Poland has invaded Russia 3 times (IIRC) and attempted 2 Coups. Albeit a long time ago now, the underlying friction between Poland and Russia remains.

If you notice the most aggressive NATO country in this conflict has been Poland aside from us. This is why. No other country wants to risk war with Russia. But Poland, they have the backing of our stupid ass government. Apparently the Potato Brain in Chief is signing off on Poland sending planes to Ukraine. If that happens, it's over. All bets are off. The Poles are ****ing with a nuclear war and they are just as dumb as our government.

It's time for people to make a decision. Is is really that damn important that the armpit of Europe --- Ukraine --- be allowed in NATO? Especially since admittance runs contrary to the underlying principals of NATO and explicitly against Article 10 of NATO?

And before anyone responds that Russia won't hit Poland, do pull out a map. Poland borders Russia.

 

And how many times was Poland simply absorbed into the Russian Empire?

 

Yeah, they never learned.

 

Putin wants WW3.. i believe he wants to go down in history as conquerer and at 69, he is ready to die if this will be his cost. He wants to give it one last chance to create a greater russia and reverse the current course where china snd US are slated to be the next two super powers., leaving russia behind.

 

And I suppose it was all their fault that Hitler and Stalin partitioned them too after they regained independence as a nation post World War One.

 

A little context. Poland invaded Czechoslovakia alongside Germany almost exactly 1 year before Germany invaded and took over Poland. The Soviet Union (which is NOT Russia FYI) did enter the former Poland, i.e. German controlled territory. Yes, they did as a buffer. Do you not understand buffers? And of course the Nazis went on to invade the Soviet Union. This is history, it's a fact, that's that.

 

Putin did what he had to do. If Ukraine joined NATO it would've been a disaster in terms of defense. Western vultures such as Shell, Exxon, Bidens, Romney, etc would've extracted as much as they could from the newly discovered gas/oil pockets and while that was happening there would be an arms array established across the Ukrainian/Russian border. All it would take would be another coup similar to what the NATO powers did in Ukraine and just put another globalist puppet in charge of Russia.

 

There will not be a WW3 started by Russia right now for several reasons.

Their ICBMs are liquid fueled. It takes about 90 minutes to fuel and launch.
Even the attempt to fuel them would lead to their utter destruction.

Our ICBMs are solid rocket fueled and take about 10 minutes to launch.
Our subs lay on the bottom of Russian harbors tracking Russian navy movement 24/7 with a 5 minute response time
Russian subs have no way to cross our early warning electronic nets. They don't have the technology (quietness) to elude detection.

Every Russian in all commands knows this. All they have is a deterrent, not a first strike capability.
I doubt Putin would survive (internally) from an attempt to fuel an ICBM as it would be the death of Russia, Forever.

 

We all need to calm down and take escalation off the table. WWI shows in a world with alliances everywhere things can rapidly deteriorate into total war.

 

Now that Russia has invaded Ukraine, and showed its hand, every country in Europe, especially Eastern Europe, is going to be clamoring to join NATO to get protection from Russia.

Anyway, the Ukraine situation started years ago with Ukraine looking to join the EU, not NATO. It was later, just recently, that Russian pressure drove Ukraine straight into the arms of NATO.

Western propaganda makes Putin look weak with a failed invasion. Now, or so we're led to believe, Putin is hiding in a bunker somewhere just waiting to be turned into his tomb. Things might get so bad in Russia that his own guards might turn on him.

But, yes, it's looking more and more like World War 3 will soon be upon us.

The only problem left is the nuclear weapons which will doom us all. Although there might be back channels that could be used in an emergency to stop the launch of Russian nukes. But, I would say it would only work once before that asset is destroyed.

 

Who invaded who on Operation Barbarossa is something of an interesting tale. What's clear is that both sides built up a mass amount of manpower prior to the operation, but from the German side(if he is to be believed for anything) he perceived the Soviets as preparing to invade German space and decided to preemptively invade. And some historians have concurred that the Soviets were preparing an offensive. Others of course, have stated that the Germans attacked and the Russians were caught flat footed(of course, both can be true. That Stalin was preparing an assault and didn't expect the Germans to outmanuever them.)

I just thought that part of history to be interesting. Anyway, to the current crisis. Obviously if Poland gets involved(as a NATO member), we're ****ed. Given the standpoint of the current NATO general I wouldn't be surprised if NATO decides to vote to axe off Poland to essentially save itself(rather than trigger article 5.)

I don't know why Poland is taking this position, given Russia's military hold on Belarus. The last thing Poland needs is to get entrenched in this, and the Russians having advanced positions. Though the Ukrainians held out mightily, Zelensky's response tells all we need to know about Russian gains in Ukraine. Sooner or later, there will be a new puppet government in Kviv as Putin begins in earnest to recreate the Soviet Union. He liquidated Belarus, and eventually perhaps Ukraine.

 

It certainly based in common sense. Ego is the only explanation for this attack on Ukraine.

 

So... if people won't give you the deal you want, you simply destroy them??
Ukraine wanted to join NATO to prevent what's happening today. I suspect Putin mainly objected to that as it would make his invasion more difficult, and he considered that unfair to him.
Putin is mirroring Adolf Hitler right now. Expect more of the same.

 

Poland is next on the list......no wonder they are more concerned. Ukraine has to clean up their act that is certain. However, they have not gone to the extent of invading foreign nation as has Russia. The fact their leader stays and fights to me at least, makes it apparent there is a will to put principles over greed unlike many whose leaders take their wealth and leave. If you are in total fear of nuclear......you lose the battle with totalitarian forces like Russia or China. If Brandon, as you say, signs off on Poland.....he has done something right for the very first time!

 

True..

 

If Ukraine remained neutral it would have never have happened. Ukraine was attacked in 2014 after a Pro EU/NATO coup took over the country that attempted to align the country with those groups directly. The Minsk agreement was signed and the people were allowed their own elections but, this newly elected leader decided to break the agreement signed. He no longer considered the parties legitimate, he attempted to join NATO, and was actively suppressing the people in the Donbass. It would be no different if the capital of the USA was Houston, TX and the Mexicans were looking to join the Soviets. Oh just let those boys build their massive defensive arrays across the southern US border and once the time was right invade the USA. Ukraine was far too close to the heart/seat of Russian power.

NATO in of itself is an aggressive coalition of governments.

 

Putin appreciates your support. The next phase will probably be other nations bordering Russia; Estonia, etc.
Invading a country so tiny and weak compared to your own because you fear them.... Yeah. Totally justified.
I mean, if anybody pisses you off, even if they are minding their won business, you got a right to whack'em.

Do I understand you correctly now?

 

Look at a map sometime and look how Ukraine's border to Russia completely exposes it to attack. Now put yourself in a position where your enemy is at your gate putting up defensive and offensive equipment along your wall. An agreement was agreed upon. Russia had to defend itself or become vulnerable. The USA reacted the same when it came Cuba receiving nukes. But you're going to call me a Putin lackey for simply understanding the situation.

 

So according to @Roelath, the best way to defend russia's borders is to invade its neighbour and thus create a bulge that is sourrounded by two of her enemies and one unstable "allied" regime...

 

It might be confusing to the Russians to be attacked by Russian planes.

 

So if Ukraine decides they want to work toward a Democracy, isn't that their decision? We know Russia is threatened by the very thought. Are you implying the same thing should apply here as in American Politics?.......Republicans should remain "neutral" so the establishment can drag them further to the left?? I think Mitt Romney would agree with that! I certainly don't. So tell me, what does remaining neutral mean? That Ukraine should put in power a leader that is completely tolerant over neighboring Russia and would most often comply with their desires regardless of the desire of the people?

 

And russian equipment that actually work! Theirs keep breaking or running out of gas!

 

So when did we put nukes in the Ukraine?
The only threat to Russia is examples of "freedom"! That is why he has imprisoned at least 4900 dissenting citizens and an internet black out. Do you maintain we should entertain this fella?

 

Rather like when Stalin jammed 500,000 troops into the Romanian teardrop surrounded on three sides by German forces in 1940. Who would have guessed that could go so wrong?

 

Mmmmmm. Not really. The Soviet Union was blindsided, and it took them all the way to Stalingrad to get their **** together, and part of that was the psychological impact Germany was trying to deliver by adding Stalingrad to their list of spoils after the invasion was begun and they were on their way to the Black Sea. Definitely one of the most interesting tales of WWII though. THAT I'll agree with.