Beware The Left’s FISA Reform Trap

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    Beware The Left’s FISA Reform Trap

    The Feds have demonstrated that they cannot be trusted with their current authorities:

    'Republicans have had a crash course since 2016 in the ways the power of the intelligence community can be abused. To take a few examples, four consecutive judges operating under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act approved wiretaps of a Trump adviser, Carter Page, relying without question on the partisan fictions of the Steele dossier. Michael Flynn was ousted after he was the target of an unprecedented leak of another FISA intercept. And 51 former intelligence officers intervened in the 2020 election to dismiss without evidence the Hunter Biden laptop contents as likely Russian disinformation.'

    They tried to use these powers to overturn the 2016 election and then they rigged the 2020 election to install Bribed Joe.

    'Now a major intelligence program – section 702 of FISA – is expiring by the end of the year, and Republicans in Congress, who have long supplied a voting majority for renewal of the program, are asking how to square that support with the lessons of the last seven years.'

    Don't pass it without reforms that provide for 10 year prison terms and stripping of pensions for abusing FISA powers.

    'Four FISA judges reviewed the Justice Department’s applications to wiretap Carter Page, and all four approved those applications, even though by the time of the last two approvals, the evidence was so flimsy that the Justice Department itself ultimately repudiated them.'

    It was a pretext to spy on Trump, because they wanted to drive him from office, reversing the 2016 election. This was the most vicious attack on the presidency, unless the Federal Government was behind the JFK assassination, in which case this would be the second worst attack on the Presidency by elements of the Federal Government.

    What reforms would you like to see as a condition of renewal?
     
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    Amen.
     
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    That's a pretty good idea to add criminal charges, but the quickest way to get that is simply to stop the program. The federal law enforcement and intelligence communities have already demonstrated that they can't be trusted with it.
     
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    I would arrest all of the players, put them on trial in view of the newly built gallows on the east lawn.
     
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    FISA is bad policy and it always has been. I would reinstate the pre 9/11 policy no secret surveillance of United State citizens without a warrant issued by the federal court of jurisdiction.
     
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    That's one of the reforms on the table. The WH says no to warrant only search for US Citizens. If that's the case, then I'd simply let it expire.

    Time to Let Section 702 Die?

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    'Democratic Senator Ron Wyden released a bill this month (with the support of some Republicans) that would address the concerns being raised, at least in theory. His bill would require a warrant to access the communications of all citizens inside the United States except in cases where an immediate threat needed to be stopped or if the subject consented to the search. You wouldn’t think such a requirement would be objectionable since that’s pretty much the definition of the original goals of FISA. But an official for the Biden administration said that the warrant requirement “crossed a red line” and would be “unworkable.”'

    'Without intervention by Congress, Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 2008 will expire at the end of this year. The White House is pushing hard for renewal, of course, but an odd bipartisan coalition in Congress is holding up the process and demanding changes first. They particularly object to elements of Section 702 that have frequently been abused by the FBI and the intelligence community to collect information on American citizens without a warrant. '
     
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    Trumpy paranoia cannot be allowed to trash national security.

    ...Speaker, Johnson has done a full 180, opposing a new warrant requirement for Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA)...

    "(I) got the confidential briefing from sort of the other perspective on that, to understand the necessity of Section 702 of FISA and how important it is for national security. And it gave me a different perspective,” he continued, using an abbreviation for sensitive compartmented information facility (SCIF).

    https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4589152-speakership-turns-johnson-from-fisa-critic-to-champion/
     
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    Yea... they can illegally surveil Americans with less money.... WAKE UP AMERICA... Our enemies have already crossed our borders and are in the country now...
     
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    The scarier proposition is that we put faith in government to defend and protect us. We should have learned the folly of that long ago.
     
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    I agree. The problem is that they are spying on Americans who are their political opponents and smearing them as traitors to justify their illegal spying.

    2 yr rather than 5 yr exctension.

    'The bill passed in the House, 273–147 — i.e., despite continuing opposition from 88 Republicans, joined by 59 Democrats. The Senate is likely to pass the bill, and President Biden to sign it.'

    'The President doesn't need Section 702 to monitor non-Americans outside the United States. In United States v. United States District Court (the so-called Keith case in 1972), the Supreme Court took pains to distinguish “the President’s surveillance power with respect to activities of foreign powers, within or without this country,” from targeted surveillance of Americans inside the United States — holding that the latter require compliance with the Fourth Amendment’s warrant requirement. Non-Americans outside the United States do not have Fourth Amendment protection; Americans who contact non-Americans outside the United States — where American law does not control, and where foreign officials could be monitoring communications — have no reasonable expectation of privacy.'

    So these claims that we would be 'blinded' without Section 702, looks contrived in order to continue the authorization that is being misused against Americans millions of times every year.

    [​IMG]https://www.brennancenter.org › our-work › analysis-opinion › us-surveillance-americans-must-stop
    US Surveillance of Americans Must Stop - Brennan Center for Justice
    May 20, 2022 'The Office of the Director of National Intelligence recently disclosed that in 2021 the FBI conducted up to 3.4 million warrantless searches seeking Americans' phone calls, emails, and text messages — using a law that, on paper, can only be used to spy on foreigners overseas.'

    https://archive.ph/6xDa0#selection-829.21-843.622
     
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