The futility of evidence...

Is it too obvious for me to point out every post you've written on this thread proves Golem's thesis?

 

Let me explain it to you. There is ample evidence against Trump. Evidence of the type that has been successfully used in OTHER cases against OTHER defendants. This means that judges and jurors have deemed them to be... actual EVIDENCE.

Therefore, discussing with you what it means to "us guys" is irrelevant. The evidence EXISTS. It will be presented to jurors in the same way it has been presented in MANY cases. This type of evidence has been EFFECTIVE in convincing jurors to convict criminals. What they say HAS been used against them. And they are in prison. You apparently believe that if you can "explain it away" that will make any difference. It never has. So your belief that your strawman arguments will be effective in court THIS time is just wishful thinking.

 

Hey, it's your right to fill your head with trash.

 

You make it obvious that all you people have are baseless personal attacks. You can't win in a one on one debate...lol

 

Both sides routinely mourn the fact that some people don't see their facts. My facts just happen to be that the United States government is gridlocked causing frustration that manifests itself as hyperpartisanship.

I do happen to find Trump more guilty than Biden he's been dancing around outright treason for years now. Biden has just been the same old corporate shill he's been for 50 years. Nevertheless do I believe he's sold his influence to enrich his family and himself? Absolutely, so why am I to sit here and spend my time splitting hairs, and exchanging animosity with my fellow citizens over who is more guilty or dangerous.

They are both dangerous, and the contuation of the status quo will only lead both parties to continue to create the conditions necessary to turn the executive into a dictator because it will be the only way the government can function.

Joe Biden is not going to save Democracy. Neither the Republican or Democratic party will save Democracy. The only thing that will is for the public to turn their backs on this circus and demand accurate, and diverse representation.

 

So It is tabloid news is if it doesn't support your chosen narrative

 

Based on your postings, you have no clue what constitutes journalism.

 

Matter of fact there aren't 34 of those 91 are accusations of Fraud based on nothing more than The trump organization calling payments to a lawyer legal fees. Another few are an attempt to confound J6 with Trump's perfectly legitimate attempt to challenge the results of an election just like Al Gore did in 2000-2001. The remainder are an attempt to claim that Trump doing the same thing that every president has done upon leaving office since at least Truman some how ought to be illegal.

 

Oh I know a good bit about the news business, but there is very little around these days. The alphabet soup media hasn't been doing actual new at least since Vietnam what they have been doing is propaganda.

 

I did that is called assumptions. and it begins with the disclaimer that the trump hate brigade always ignores, and, I might add the reason congress never brought those charges up, The fact that Trump gave mueller every thing he asked for and more besides. which makes a charge of obstruction all but impossible to prove.

 

Only one side claims that there is such thing as "their facts". To rational people, facts are just... facts. They are not owned by anybody. The right is the one that promotes this narrative of "alternative facts". Did you buy into it?

Gridlock doesn't happen in a vacuum. It's usually the result of a set of events. It's easy to just call it "gridlock". But it requires a bit more work to figure out why it happens. I think people who want to "project" an image of being independent are just outright lazy. Because even if you take the WRONG side, at least you're doing the work needed to defend it.

In every single thing that happens, one part is guilty, and the other isn't. I don't know what being an "old corporate shill" means or has to do with this. But we have a proven criminal on one side, and an honest President on the other. Biden is not the BEST President we have ever had. But there is no point of comparison.

This is the part where I start becoming weary of people who try TOO hard to project an appearance of being "equally critical". You are wrong! TRUMP is dangerous. Biden is just a regular President with whom we may agree or disagree. When you start applying the same measure to both, you start losing credibility. They are COMPLETELY different. Which doesn't mean that Biden is great. But he's just a normal human being.

Joe Biden is most definitely NOT going to save Democracy. If he loses the elections, he will step aside and acknowledge his defeat. I'm not sure there is anything else he could do. But we DO know Trump, if elected, is going to do everything he can to DESTROY it.

Again: we cannot equate the two in any way. Biden has faults and strengths. Trump just wants to be a dictator. And even if he doesn't succeed, he will do A LOT of damage to the country simply by trying.

 

And this is based on what?

 

Enjoy basking in your own delusions.

 

How many convictions

 

Charged? How about convicted?

 

Umm, hard to have a "conviction" until after we have trials. You knew that, I hope. Nevertheless, some of the Orange BM's co-defendants in the GA case have entered into pleas.

 

Are you suffering from short-term memory loss?

 

That is a fair criticism, unless it is coming from a Democrat.

 

No

 

Well till then this is just an exhibition of political fantasy

 

Well, that's puzzling. If a criminal Defendant never pleads guilty and goes to trial, don't you have to wait until a jury renders it verdict until you get a conviction?

 

To be tasteless, you have been Tina Turner and I've been Ike. I don't think you've ever won a debate here.

 

50+ years of observation.

 

No one ever wins a debate. Anyone believes otherwise is kidding themselves.

 

And given his track record that requires some real talent.