What to think about what is going on in College campuses...

Let me make it clear: I don't know. It's too soon to tell. There are many many dimensions to this problem. I know from the 60s and 70s that extremists infiltrate these protests and undermine them. But it's TOO soon to tell.

I would venture to say that there is not a single soul in this forum (at least not among the habitual contributors), on any side of the political spectrum, who doesn't condemn Hamas' terrorist actions. So if you're going to respond with some nonsense insinuating otherwise, your post should be summarily ignored.

I can say two things with complete certainty:

First, what is IMPORTANT about the protests is that they bring attention to the slaughter of civilians in Palestine committed by Netanyahu. The US should not support killing civilians. We should not fund it. We can keep funding Israel with defensive weapons, but not a penny should go to helping them commit genocide. Which appears to be Netanyahu's plan. They should do it legally and with no violence. So far there doesn't appear to have been any violence. Racism comes from infiltrators who simply want to undermine the true objective.

Second thing I'm sure of is that most MAGAs have already shown that they don't actually care about any of this from the humanitarian perspective. They just want to draw attention from the fact that their party leader is a CONVICTED criminal (9 counts of contempt of court) and is being indicted for 88 crimes in different courts.

*So let's be clear in that most MAGAs who are actively commenting on all of this don't care about Israel, Jews, Palestine, students, or whether or not a university hall was trashed ... .They care about how this can help get Trump out of the jam his crimes have gotten him into.

 

"So let's be clear in that most MAGAs who are actively commenting on all of this don't care about Israel, Jews, Palestine, students, or whether or not a university hall was trashed ... .They care about how this can help get Trump out of the jam his crimes have gotten him into."

What's really clear is that most democrats support the anti Jewish movement and are pro hamas.

 

What is also clear is that democrats have promoted this narrative for so long and used their operatives in public education and higher education to dupe these poor kids into working for the most tyrannical and oppressive regimes, ie Hamas, Iran, China, and cannot figure it out for themselves. It's so obvious when folks who turn up at these events are questioned about why they are there that they literally don't know, but are willing to engage in violence to force folks to adopt their myopic world view.

And what is very clear at this point is that the tactic of jews to inhabit the Democratic party to smooth out the antisemitism from within has failed. The only thing absent on the public stage are the arm bands, brown shirts, or white hoods.

 

Protesting this..........

Israeli attacks on the city of Rafah in southern Gaza killed 18 people overnight, including nine children, health officials said Sunday.

The first Israeli strike late Saturday killed a man, his wife and their 3-year-old child, the Associated Press reported. The second strike killed 13 children and two women, it said. An airstrike in Rafah the night before left nine people dead, including six children.

The fresh attacks in southern Gaza come as the death toll in the Israel-Hamas war has climbed to more than 34,000 Palestinians killed, according to local health officials, the AP reported. The conflict has devastated Gaza’s two largest cities and left a swath of destruction across the besieged enclave.
https://www.politico.eu/article/israel-strike-rafah-kill-13-gaza-death-toll-surpass-34000/

..........isn't "working for the most tyrannical and oppressive regimes."

 

Which entirely lacks the context that Hamas reigned terror down on Israel. Where were these kids when Hamas attacked Israel? The answer is clear, they were on the sidelines clapping and cheering. And now that clearly Hamas is getting their butts handed to them, they are crying saying it's not fair, and burning down their surroundings in a fit of pique and temper tantrum. When you lack the ability to assess all sides, you fail. Clearly, this explains what you wrote...

 

There are plenty of posters who think Hamas is justified and understandable in its actions and claim the things they’ve done haven’t actually happened while buying into every Hamas trope about genocide and starvation while simultaneously arguing against any Palestinians leaving the war zone to safety as civilians always do in war.

These are the posters that are like these students: they’ll stand side by side with Hamas supporters while they chant death to America this and river to the sea that, they’ll share beers and even a Soros funded tent with each other, and claim BS about not actually being Hamas supporters.


But we all know they are

 

. "Iconoclasts! Iconoclasts! Everywhere, ICONOCLASTS!" .

 

I can only assume by your deflection you acknowledge that protesting the murders of thousands of people in Gaza, among them woman and children, is not "working for the most tyrannical and oppressive regimes."
Is it your contention all the protestors celebrated the brutal attack on Israelis by Hamas? Do you have any evidence of that?

Perhaps your misdirected outrage is a way for you to avoid dealing with the ongoing humanitarian tragedy in Gaza in response to the barbaric attack by Hamas.

 

I'm sure it's true that some do. That assertion doesn't detract from the legitimacy of the protests.

 

I can only assume from you deflection that you entirely supported the terror from Hamas. Is it your contention that Israel deserved it? Suddenly, you're trying to shame Israel for wearing a short skirt? Laughable.

 

Hamas supporters detract from any claim to protest legitimacy.

As soon as the supposed “not Hamas supporters” amongst the protest actually figure that out, maybe they’ll actually be as forceful about throwing out those Hamas supporters from their ranks instead of Jews trying to get to class

 

Nope. That ridiculous and worse.

 

Right, democrats should be intolerant enough to have zero tolerance for freedom of speech, democracy, facts, truth, and honesty, IOW they should be lots more fascistic and authoritarian. Is that what you mean?

 

What is going on is the same thing that always goes on with younger folks. They've found a cause, something to belong to, something that they feel matters and gives meaning, and they've latched on to it. These are young adults, they don't have full time jobs or families or all the things that normally take up the time of older adults. They have the time and the space in their lives to focus on other things, and that combined with the ignorance of youth leads them to do exactly what we're seeing. This is literally the dynamic that got Kyle Rittenhouse, another foolish young adult, to be out there walking the streets playing soldier boy.

Those folks who think this is some huge anti-American movement or some foreboding example are getting as caught up in the moment as these young adults are. Most of these people will move on to be the same boring adults that most young people turn in to. Many will probably look back on this and cringe a little, since they'll be older and wiser and better able to understand things from more than just the perspective of youth.

Now, that said, it doesn't mean there aren't bad actors involved in these protests, who have ulterior motives, and are trying to manipulate these easily led young adults into doing things.

 

OK so where did you protest the killing of 34,000 civilian (mostly women and children) Palestinians? Show us your ability to assess all sides.

 

wrong

 

Isn't it possible there are people among the anti-protestors on various campuses who believe Israel is justified in its slaughter of 30K+ people in Gaza.

 

34,000 civilians haven’t been killed. Can’t even get that right

 

Then I think you need to explain how "most democrats support the anti Jewish movement and are pro hamas." Because I don't see it and I called it as I see it.

 

If you show me a single post you have critical of a democrat or a democrat action , I will believe you and then provide the answer to your question.

 

OOPS!! You're right! I made a horrible error! It's actually 30,000 civilians. BAN ME!

https://time.com/6909636/gaza-death-toll/


And:
"In the case of Gaza, acknowledging that there was an appalling and extremely deadly attack on October 7th, and that over 30,000 Gazans have died since, mostly women and children, seems like the most basic of cornerstones of reality"

https://time.com/6909636/gaza-death-toll/

 

YOU made the claim and I questioned it. Now you're going to try to squirm out if this???? LOL!!!

 

Didn't think you'd have any non partisan postings, so when you say " I called it as I see it" I just don't give a **** about your opinion or how you see it.

 

Wrong on both counts. I didn't deflect and I don't support the brutal acts by Hamas as you do the ongoing reign of terror by Israel. Those 34K dead Palestinians killed by Israel had just as much of a right to life as the 1,200 dead Israelis killed by Hamas did.

 

Typical of someone who is trying to deceive and mislead. Nice job.

Has anyone else noticed that since the right cannot be honest about most of their agenda and intentions or risk losing all credibility, that when they get cornered by the truth they don't like they deflect, move goalposts, avoid, blame, and hide?

I regularly ask questions of them and have them go silent or deflect, etc. It seems to be part of being on the political right.