Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee signs into law bill allowing armed teachers

Much more information has been written by studies conducted about military personnel that are in actual combat.
So, more to come....but:
In a squad of 10 men, on average fewer than three ever fired their weapons in combat. Day in, day out — it did not matter how long they had been soldiers, how many months of combat they had seen, or even that the enemy was about to overrun their position. This was what the highly regarded Brigadier General Samuel Lyman Atwood Marshall, better known as S.L.A. Marshall, or ‘Slam,’ concluded in a series of military journal articles and in his book, Men Against Fire, about America’s World War II soldiers. Marshall had been assigned as a military analyst for the U.S. Army in both the Pacific and Europe.

https://www.historynet.com/men-against-fire-how-many-soldiers-fired-weapons-vietnam-war/

 

Because most of the 2nd Amendment right advocates some how believe in this fictional Hollywood...."Clint Eastwood" or "John Wayne" type of hero to show up in the nick of time.
Rather than address the real problem surrounding a "civilized" country having the worst numbers for killings and suicides.
They will continue to dodge the issue and stand on 2nd Amendment.

 

I am not sure if you can access or have access to the March 2024 "The Atlantic" magazine but they have a very detailed article about the shooting in Parkland and the ramification surrounding this tragic event.
It details the inaction and action of the trained police to the trial and it gets into the aspects of what the training is like.
It also deals with the physiological and psychology of the human being during stressful situations.

 

Thanks, because thats the exact point I was trying to make.

The right in this country thinks its the gun that saves lives, when in reality it is the person who carries that gun that save lives. And that person does that thru training, both physical and mental. It takes a special person to run INTO the line of fire, and there were supposedly 376 of them there, and they did nothing. Their guns didn't magically jump out of their holsters and save the day, it was the individual who carried the gun that was much more important in this scenario than the gun itself. The idea that because someone has a gun, that they somehow magically carry that special ability to run INTO the line of fire was my point. Guns dont magically run into the line of fire, the person carrying them does that. But they defense of what happened in Uvalde was to ARM THE TEACHERS (more guns). They already had a 367 to 1 advantage, yet there defense was "we need more"

Uvalde, I thought, was the perfect example of that, and that the 2A crowd would at least admit that. Yet here in this very forum we still have people claiming that the guns will save everyone, when were literally talking about a 367 to 1 ratio and the 367 lost ! Folks, its NOT the GUN that saves lives, it the person carrying it !!!

 

All it would have taken to do better than those coward police would have been to fire even a single shot in the direction of the gunman.

 

Hollywood!!!

 

Do you think you would have it in you to pull the trigger of someone's kicking your door in at 2:00 a.m.?

Or do you think that requires some exceptional amount of training?

 

Try looking up statistics of supposedly trained individuals that can actually hit a target that is not stationary and when the situation requires the individual to react and act accordingly.
You are mixing apples and oranges here but you can do that to please yourself.

 

Just because you don't know how to use a gun with any degree of accuracy doesn't mean that the rest of us don't.

If I shoot someone kicking in my door it's going to be from about 5 ft away and you can bet your ass I won't miss.

And I've never had any formal training except for growing up in the South and playing with guns since I was a kid. ( Oddly enough many of the best military snipers grew up as children shooting guns in the country.... Imagine that )

It's a real wonder how anyone could actually hit a bird on the wing in the sky isn't it?

 

You answer mine, I'll answer yours.

Whatever, bro. Do a search for “defensive gun usage" (DGU). You’ll find it happens upward of 3.5 million times annually. The raw numbers I’m most familiar with come from a CDC study ordered by President Obama in 2013. A more detailed study by Georgetown University in 2022 contends there are 1.6 million civilian-involved DGUs annually.

Whatever the actual tally, it’s not insignificant. Both studies conclude that the vast majority – north of 90% - of those encounters are resolved peacefully, with no injuries sustained by either party. Thanks to good guys with guns. But keep on keeping on with your childish sputtering. It's... adorable.

 

And those numbers do not even take into account the number of times that an armed citizen stopped a crime by simply displaying the firearm and never pulling the trigger and deciding not to get the police involved at that point.

At that point it would just be an unnecessary headache for the person who defended themselves.

 

• Sept. 1, Detroit: A woman shot and wounded a man who ran onto her porch while fleeing from police after a hit-and-run. The woman told police that she felt threatened by the man and couldn’t tell what was in his hand when he approached her. The man was charged with fleeing police, resisting arrest, and obstructing justice.
• Sept. 3, Adams Run, South Carolina: Police said a homeowner isn’t expected to face charges after he shot and wounded a man who smashed a window and climbed into his home in the middle of the night. The suspect apparently had been drinking and doing drugs at a nearby party before he broke in. Police said they found a small bag of cocaine in his possession.
• Sept. 9, Pensacola, Florida: When a would-be robber with a shotgun entered a convenience store, the clerk ran to a back room and grabbed his own firearm, police said. The threat of armed resistance apparently stunned the robber, who told the clerk: “I’m not from around here. … I’m from Chicago, bro,” before fleeing. No shots were fired. Police arrested a suspect several days later.
• Sept. 9, Channelview, Texas: A woman was home with her three children—a 12-year-old and two 17-year-olds—when four armed and masked men tried to force their way inside, police said. One of the teens grabbed a shotgun and fired several rounds at the intruders, killing two and sending the other two fleeing.
• Sept. 13, Chicago: Police said that two gunmen randomly opened fire on a family celebrating a grandmother’s birthday, critically injuring a 13-year-old boy who was returning to the party with his uncle after buying a game at a nearby store. The uncle, a concealed carry permit holder, returned fire at the gunmen, and they fled. The wounded teen was expected to survive, but faces a long road to recovery. Police later arrested two men and charged them with attempted murder.
• Sept. 14, Hyattsville, Maryland: A resident saw a would-be package thief struggling with a Postal Service deliveryman and tried to intervene, police said. The thief then assaulted the resident and chased him into his house. The resident was able to reach his handgun and shot the thief once in the leg, wounding him, police said.
• Sept. 17, Ridgeland, Mississippi: Police said that the owner of a popcorn store shot and wounded a teenage girl who pulled a gun on him while trying to shoplift. The teen was taken to a hospital for treatment before being charged as an adult with aggravated assault with a weapon.
• Sept. 19, Tenino, Washington: A homeowner whose property had been burglarized multiple times spotted two suspicious all-terrain vehicles parked near a storage trailer and alerted his brother, who lived nearby, police said. Armed with a rifle, they confronted two burglars who were breaking into the trailer. One burglar immediately fled, but the second charged at the homeowner and his brother. The homeowner shot him once, wounding him. Police later arrested the first burglar.
• Sept. 23, Collingdale, Pennsylvania: A man was walking to work early in the morning when a car with headlights off stopped in front of him, blocking his path, police said. Three masked individuals exited and approached the man, and one of them appeared to reach for a gun. The man drew his own legally possessed gun and fired, hitting one person in the leg. The three fled. Police later arrested a 15-year-old girl and a 22-year-old man in connection with the attempted robbery. Investigators determined that the vehicle used had been stolen during a carjacking in Philadelphia.
• Sept. 24, Patterson, California: A woman fatally shot an intoxicated intruder who had assaulted her husband while trying to break into the couple’s home, police said. The husband initially tried to restrain the intruder, but ended up being injured in “a significant fight,” police said. The woman saw her husband struggling, grabbed a handgun that she had legally acquired just one day earlier, and shot the intruder.
• Sept. 28, Wichita, Kansas: Police credited the actions of an armed bystander with helping to save a motorist’s life during a brutal knife attack. The assailant rammed a man’s car on purpose, smashed out the windows with nunchucks, then began stabbing the driver as he tried to get his two young children out of the car, police said. One witness drove her car at the suspect, stopping his attack. The bystander then held the assailant at gunpoint, allowing others to give first aid to the badly injured man, police said.
• Sept. 30, Missoula, Montana: A driver was stopped at a traffic light when he saw a machete-wielding man chasing someone down the street, police said. Armed with his handgun, the driver confronted the assailant and held him at gunpoint until police arrived. The suspect was charged with three counts of felonious assault with a weapon.

That's all fake news, of course. After all: our resident expert in firearms and close quarter combat - @grapeape - has assured us that

He's just... adorable.

 

You keep moving the goalposts because you cant answer the question

Why did the 376 guns loose to one gun. You keep claiming that more guns are the answer, then explian why 367 guns lost to one.....

Wait, Ill get that for you, because it istn the gun, its the person holding the gun

OK, there was defense gun usage ? AGAIN you claiming the gun was the cause for the defense and not the person using it. I'm claiming, and proving thru the Uvalde massacre, that 367 guns couldn't stop one gun....even when they were yards apart. ITS NOT THE GUN, ITS THE PERSON HOLDING IT !!!!

 

It's because they were cowards or they were instructed stand there and do nothing.

How the hell is it that other cops can manage to confront gunman? Tell me how that works.

You have a bunch of cops with weapons as good as the gunman or better and they're all standing around in body armor so the only answer is is that there were a bunch of cowards or that they were instructed to do nothing

 

ahh, more deflection....12 incidents where someone with a gun came out on top.......

answer this simple question Why did 367 guns not stop one gun from killing ?

Your focused on the gun, and the gun cant fire itself. The gun cant protect people by itself. The gun is an inanimate object, it requires human intervention to either kill or save. HUMAN TRAINING is required for that. M"more guns" is a ridiculous montra, the real montra should be "more TRAINED gun owners".....

And remember.....367 TRAINED persons with firearms were within feet of the person killing at Uvalde, and that person STILL had 2 hours to kill people. So by your standard, more guns failed...right ?

 

NO, because they didn't want to get killed. ITS THE PERSON USING THE GUN, NOT THE GUN

 

yet most of the information the anti gun left has concerning firearms comes from Hollywood. that's because the anti gun mindset is based on politics, rather than understanding firearms

 

Your uneducated assumptions do not fit into the discussion with any research or data to rely on.
The truth is the reality of the situation that OP first stated is no where near your deeply held heroic thoughts of your impending actions.

 

The heroics of so many disillusion saviors is astounding.
The vast majority of them have never had to be faced with anything remotely close to their vision of grandeur.

 

Hollywood heroes and Hollywood personnel are two different entities.
One is fictional (aka) Dirty Harry and John Wayne types, the others stand for a cause and use data and research to make their opinions known.
Sorry you cannot detect the difference between them.

 

A bird on the wing and a gopher on the ground are not moving targets with a weapon that will return fire.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
Facts prove you wrong.

 

Quite right. They were unwilling to put themselves in harm's way, despite having the bad guy outnumbered and outgunned by orders of magnitude. They were - and are - cowards. Unlike everyone in the September rundown.

 

I am a certified firearms expert and a retired trainer of federal law enforcement officers. I have competed in world championships, held national shooting records and used (by shooting an attacker) a firearm to stop a violent mugging on my person. Shall we compare understanding of firearms uses, and firearms laws?

 

what exactly is your training in firearms use? I know FatBack understands firearms very well

 

No. I don't want my country to be like France. I didn't think it's better.

If you do why the hell are you living here?