Could Benjamin Netanyahu Go To Jail? | If You’re Listening

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  1. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gaza, East Jerusalem, and the West Bank, obviously. Israel is the one violating the law, occupying lands that do not belong to them.
     
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    Thousands out of 10 million. So what? Israel is a parliamentary democracy with limited free speech. What happens to those who protest against Hamas in Gaza? Gazan civilians are executed by Hamas for attempting to distribute international humanitarian aid in Gaza. Hamas claims that distributing food to the civilian women and children in Gaza is collaboration with Israel.
     
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    Those areas belong to Israel as a result of the 1967 six day war. Israel is not violating any laws. The Sinai Peninsula also at one time belonged to Israel but they returned it to Egypt as part of peace negotiations after the 1967 six day war.
     
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    Faith base narratives are immune to facts. These faith based narratives have been disproven repeatedly in multiple threads on this forum but they continue to be repeated.
     
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    134 UN member countries recognize Palestine as a state.

    You've got nothing.
     
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    The agreed boundaries were set in 1967.
     
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    The USA doesn't rule the world.

    I'm well aware of the decades of US opposition to a negotiated settlement on borders and the provision of massive arms shipments, aid dollars, and political cover that Israel has used to further colonize the ME through overwhelming military force.


    When did the USA agree to become Zionist enforcers and help with the Israel genocide?
     
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    Boundaries to what? There is no Palestine.
     
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    What is your source for this fairy tale??
     
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    And that is meaningless. All it means is the ggd PLO can attend the sessions of the GA. Anybody can do that.
     
  11. WillReadmore

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    Nonvoting states must be granted that privilege by vote of the general assembly.

    To be a full member, the USSC must vote. Palestine has met USSC requirements and has been voted to be a member state - TWICE. Except, the USA vetoed.
     
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    Yes, they tried to eject Jews out of Israel in 1948, 1956,1967, and 1973.
    There was plenty of comment.
    It wasn't a deal. Israel said they had no interest in Gaza.
    No, because some Gaza residents were intent upon attacking Israelis.
    This is the first comment you've made that makes sense. Israel has 1m Gaza residents they have to help rebuild Gaza.
    It'd been going on since Israel was created.
    Some have suggested Netanyahu was hoping Egypt and Jordan would take Gaza refugees.
    What was it when Gaza residents destroyed greenhouses Israel left in 2005?
     
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    That action was a purely political but purely meaningless. It’s a joke.
     
  14. WillReadmore

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    The current Likud party and its leader Netanyahu demand that Palestinians leave and that Israel gets Gaza.

    They have also made it crystal clear for a couple decades that they will also take West Bank by force of ethnic cleansing. Today, the IDF is in West Bank, killing Palestinians on their own property inside their own country.

    Palestinian land was given by those who did not have that land to give. It was like the US treatment of indigenous peoples here in America. We lied, and mascaraed our way to owning the land. That is not a legitimate process to use on Palestine.

    Since then, Israel has been a colonial power, bent on achieving the aim documented in the Likud party carter, which is a current and active document.

    Netanyahu has said that the US port for aid will be helpful in moving Palestinians out of Gaza.

    I don't know what your comment about greenhouse could possibly mean.

    Today, the Israeli bulldozing of greenhouses belonging to GAZA is an assault on their desperately needed food supply. That assault is part of the effort to starve the civilians of Gaza.

    I do NOT believe Gaza will be interested in "help" from Israel. Israel may owe it. But, allowing Israel to be involved in any way would be a stupendous risk to the freedom of Gaza.

    But, Gaza can make up its mind about that, of course.
     
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    Well, it is the USA, once again scoffing at the very idea that anyone else in the entire world matters.

    Look around. The US is staking out a position of abject immorality, opposed by almost all the rest of the world.
     
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    Exactly --- more "Do as we Say -- Not as we do Foreign Policy" throwing out the rule book -- our own rule book .. which we were hoping the world might abide .. and unify behind so as to be able to punish bad actors .. as without such unity .. sanctions are useless and in fact counter productive .. as we are seeing with Russia Sanctions .. the USA the one's getting punished ..our Dollar's sole international currency status now under fire like never before.

    and then we throw Gaza into the equation. the entire world (sans Israel) -- but a whole lot of Jews .. doing a collective "Shame - Shame - Shame". .. and just another in a long list of reasons of why the US can no longer be trusted.. not a trustworthy partner .. and no integrity .. moral or otherwise.

    and these political morons living in the past .. as it used to not matter .. back in the day - when we were the only economic Game in town .. and everyone wanted to play regardless .. so we could and did do as we wished with impunity .. the indispensable nation. .. but those days were gone long long ago .. yet these neocon political dolts don't get it --- that or still intentionally platitudinalizing the lie .. which happens often ..
     
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    Still refusing ro answer the question though aren't you. And I'm baming him for doing a better job of stopping it NOT for failing to stop it completely.

    Lets be clear people were going to die no matter what BiBi did or didn't do once Hamas launched its attack that day. The key issue is that far too many Isrealis, particularly civilians died than was necessary because of a gross lack of preparedness on the part of the IDF. The attack should never have succeeded to the extent it did given the resources available to the IDF. This is the blame that lies at BiBi's feet.
     
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    I answered your question.
     
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    The US is supporting the only democratic nation (Israel) in the ME defend itself against the genocidal attack of a terrorist organization (Hamas) funded by a terrorism based theocracy (Iran). What is immoral about that? It would be immoral NOT to support Israel.
     
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    That is not true.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/netany...~:text=Prime Minister Benjamin,out of tragedy.
     
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    There are those serious analysts who believe the terrorist attack was welcomed, because it allowed a genocidal war on gaza.

    Netanyahu has stated that after the war, Israel will own security and government of Gaza.

    How would this be different than the end game Netanyahu plans for West Bank?
     
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    I'm fine with supporting Israel's actual self defense.

    Can you really call Israel a democratic nation - without free speech, ruling Palestinians in West Bank with Israeli military law in which they HAVE NO VOTE, and they use genocide as a method of war, against our will?

    Can you call them democratic when they are working to make the judicial system part of the administration under Netanyahu?

    And, how much is Israel worth to the USA if surrounding nations hate them?

    We need allies that promote our values. Israel does not promote our values.
     
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    That is exactly what Israel is doing. The terrorist organization Hamas whose goal per its charter is genocide of the Jews and destruction of the nation of Israel must be eradicated from Gaza. The people of Gaza want this.

    Israel is a parliamentary democracy. They have free speech with restrictions just as we have in the US.

    The fundamental value driving Israel and our support of Israel is the defense of freedom. That value is shared by both Israel and the United States and the rest of the free world.

    The civilians of Gaza had elections after Israel left. Hamas who claimed that they were a benevolent political party won control of the legislature and then violently overthrew the entire PA government dragging the bodies of PA elected officials through the streets. There has not been any elections since 2006. The same would happen in the West Bank if Israel left with Hezbollah violently taking control. History would repeat.
     
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    Israel is a terrorist nation that is happily murdering Palestinians with the full support of many Israelis. Israel have removed freedom of speech banning Aljezeerah reporting on Israeli terrorism in Gaza
     
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    You are entitled to your opinion. 80% of Americans do not agree with you.
     
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