What to think about what is going on in College campuses...

1- Palestinians can't wait until 2026
2- The life of civilian palestinians SHOULD NOT depend on the approval of voters. That is not how Democracy works.

I understand it as utter nonsense. I am however puzzled as to why the Netanyahu government was caught so completely unprepared, when they had received many alerts. Best case scenario and, for now, the one I consider most likely: it was pure incompetence. But it will take quite a while before we know for sure.

 

I think it is pretty obvious myself, much like the US was caught off guard by the nature of the attack on 9/11. Israel was expecting the usual rocket barrage and some snipers they weren't expecting what amounted to an airborne assault. The problem when you deal with people who have been doing pretty much the same thing for decades when they do vary the routine you are very likely to get caught with your pants down.

 

The projection is apparent though, isn't it..

 

Protests have spread to the hinterland:

 

I thought it was a dumb conspiracy theory:

 

Tell you what Esau. You would do yourself a favor to assimilate like Americans of all creeds. That is America. It would be interesting experiment to put you on a island where there are no "whites" but a lot of diversity. Who would you begin to hate first? The Japanese? Koreans? Mexicans? Pick one, I'd find it fascinating!

 

What is this Mish mash of random words..please make it make sense..

Smh.

 

1. Palestinians in Gaza waited from 1948 to 1967 under Egyptian occupation, then waited from 1967 to 2005 under Israeli occupation and from 2006 until today they lived under democratically elected Hamas government - so they can wait more, but the question is "to wait for what"? Palestinians elected Hamas which promised never make peace with Israel, Hamas which promised to replace Israel with Muslim Caliphate - so do you really think Israel will let them to achieve this goal before 2026?

2. The life of civilian Palestinians DO NOT depend on the approval of voters, because the was only one Palestinian vote in 2006. The life of civilian Palestinians depends on actions of the government they elected. The Palestinian elected government decided they want to attack Israel and according to Hamas it was correct decision, and the price was right:


Hamas can any moment return hostages and declare that they changed their mind and no more they want to replace Israel with Muslim Caliphate, but to live in peace with Israel.
And it has noting to do with the way Democracy works.

Nonsense? I am not sure, for me it looks like traditional blaming Jews even for Hamas genocide, murdering of 1200 Israelis, rapes and kidnapping.
I am too puzzled as to why the Netanyahu government was caught so completely unprepared, when they had received many alerts.
The most popular conspiracy theory is that Israeli Left who protested against Netanyahu invited Hamas to invade Israel in order to get rid of Netanyahu. I was happy to see on this forum pro-Left conspiracy theory - it was no Israeli Left, but Israeli Right who invited Hamas in order to latter attack Gaza.
Israel starting to investigate army and we will see which conspiracy theory will win.

 

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In war, there is a difference between "civilian casualties" and "genocide." Objectively, the civilian casualties in Gaza do not amount to a genocide. All kinds of people may call what's happening a "genocide", but the numbers of casualties do not support accusations of a deliberate "genocide". Civilian casualties, yes. Genocide, no.

Well, this is projection. Folks like you see world events like this from a purely political standpoint, rather than through a moral compass and objective reasoning. To be honest, I don't think you care about "Israel, Jews, Palestine, students, or whether or not a university hall was trashed". I think you care about how all of this effects the November election and nothing more. You can deny it all day long, but I will not be swayed from that perception.

 

It's even worse:

 

I don't think the two are the same:

 

I'll chip in for their plane tickets to Iran. Come for the free education, stay for the amputations.

'Under Iranian law, more than 100 “offences” are punishable by flogging. These cover a wide array of acts, ranging from theft, assault, vandalism, defamation and fraud to acts that should not be criminalized at all such as adultery, intimate relationships between unmarried men and women, “breach of public morals” and consensual same-sex sexual relations.'

'In July, an appeal court sentenced journalist Mohammad Reza Fathi to 459 lashes for “publishing lies” and “creating unease in the public mind” through his writing.'

Also amputations and blindings.

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This issue isn't working for the Leftists. That's why these Blue Cities are calling in the cops to clear the rioters.

 

THIS time, they can't wait. They are being slaughtered.

For elections in Israel! Do you not recall what you said?

Then what is the relevance of your remark about Israel having elections every four years?

You're not sure if entirely blaming Israel for the Hamas attack is nonsense? Sounds pretty absurd to me.

Sure. Or extraterrestrials could come down and shoot them with some sort of "peace-ray" that makes them want to live in harmony. However, I'm more inclined to debate about REALISTIC solutions and not waste time on nonsense.

I don't care much for "popular" conspiracy theories. They turn out to be wrong way more often (by a mile) than right. Those are pretty ridiculous. "Inviting"?... For heaven's sake, why would they need to be invited! They don't even explain why Netanyahu didn't act on the intelligence he supposedly received and didn't do anything to prepare for the attack. I think stupidity is the most likely explanation. But we will know for sure in due time.

 

A very thin difference, I guess. But, again... you want to debate semantics. Call it "massacre" if you want. They're dying just the same. And their deaths are preventable. So they are not "accidental".

I have NO idea how this affects the November election one way or the other. So that is clearly NOT what I care about.

I don't think it will affect it one bit. People will be choosing between a normal President who makes mistakes and with whom we don't always agree, versus a convicted criminal who wants to become a dictator. I think it's ridiculous to believe that Palestinians and Israelis will be in the minds of any significant number of voters. Except Palestinians and Israelis. But you'd have to be a huge Netanyahu fan to be influenced by that (because Biden is clearly pro-Israel but anti-Netanyahu). And if you are, you're already a MAGA anyway.... so it doesn't matter.

In any case, this debate is not about what I care about. It's about who's right. And your attempt to change the subject is clear indication that you realize that who's right does not match a MAGA's political preferences.

 

No. There is a huge difference, and you know it.

And it is you who insists on using words like genocide and massacre, so don't act like you don't care about semantics. You are deliberately choosing to use those words, even though the casualty figures do not support them.

Correct. They were preventable. Hamas could have decided against going ahead with the Oct 7th atrocities they perpetrated. But Hamas wanted to start this war, and they knew their people would suffer and die as a result. That always happens in war.
Hamas could lay down their arms, and it would be over.
And Hamas could stop obstructing the flow of aid to their own people with their threats and attacks.

Of course it is. You are the one who brought up Trump, not me. Trump is not the president right now. Biden is.

 

Yes, they can wait. It is Palestinian tradition to start fighting with stronger enemy and than cry that they are being slaughter. They send suicide terrorist to Israel knowing Israel will respond with force, they shot missiles on Israeli cities knowing Israel will respond with force, so what is the difference now? Few weeks ago Palestinian democratically elected government inform us that it will do more Oct 7 type genocide attacks, so for sure Palestinians can wait.

If it was a joke - it is funny. Palestinians expecting the new elected Israeli government will accept Palestinian democratically elected Hamas who promise to destroy Israel and to continue with genocide, murder, rape and kidnapping. I think your view of Palestinians is...the same view as Israeli right.

Because again you castrated my post misleading readers that somehow the life of civilian Palestinians has to do something with Israeli elections.
Here is what I wrote:
"2. The life of civilian Palestinians DO NOT depend on the approval of voters, because the was only one Palestinian vote in 2006. The life of civilian Palestinians depends on actions of the government they elected. The Palestinian elected government decided they want to attack Israel and according to Hamas it was correct decision, and the price was right. Hamas can any moment return hostages and declare that they changed their mind and no more they want to replace Israel with Muslim Caliphate, but to live in peace with Israel."

Relevance about Israel having elections every four years? Just showing that Israel has elections every 4 years and once it can be a Likud who don't not support 2 state solution, another time can be other party who support 2 state solution - just like in the US one president can support Ukraine, another can support Putin.
In Gaza there were only one elections in 2006 and Palestinians elected Hamas who promised never make peace with Israel.

I think students have the right to hate Jews and to blame Jews for Hamas genocide - I don't agree with them, but this is their right. And we see many people support these students without calling it absurd - for me it is a sign that Jews need to support 2nd amendment - as I do.

 

According to Politico, Biden’s donors are funding the left wing anti Israel hatred and violence.

 

And it's YOU who debates the words instead of the ACT. Genocide and massacre and ... many others... are appropriate.

Now... the point is that Netanyahu is massacring Palestines unnecessarily. If you have anything to comment about THAT, go for it. If you only wanted to discuss semantics... you're on your own.

What has already happened is not preventable. The Hamas attack is done. The thousands of innocent palestinians slaughtered already happened. What IS preventable is future. MORE palestinians are massacred ever day.

And the PROTESTS exist because WE are funding this. We are not funding Hamas. Therefore, OUR side of the responsibility lies in pressuring Netanyahu.

THAT is called "reality". But it looks like you're not too interested in debating realilty.

 

No they are not. The facts simply do not support either characterization.

If you really wanted to prevent future civilian casualties of war in the future, you would support the destruction of Hamas. For there to be any chance of peace, Hamas's power over the Palestinians must be ended. Otherwise, the cycle of violence will not end.

More projection on your part. You are being deliberately untruthful, using words like "genocide" and "massacre", and then you talk about me not being interested in "debating reality." *smh*

 

Nice imposed reflection

 

BTW: What’s happening on our college campus’s regarding the matter are influenced by people with money and an agenda

 

Conservative estimates indicate over 115 Palestinians dead per week. No! They CAN'T wait two and a half years!

Exactly! Human Rights are NOT subject to vote. They are inherent to every human being and every human population. Especially when you expect Israel to vote whether or not to respect the rights of people who CAN'T vote. Not just the RIGHT to self-determination, but even the right to LIVE... The concept is disgusting. And it's even more disgusting when we realize that WE are funding it.

 

But the Israeli's who will likely lose more than 115 per week, if they do not respond to Hamas attacks, are supposed to stand there and take it.

 

The destruction of Hamas would be wonderful! But the IDF is not competent. If they could do that with a minimum of civilian casualties it would be great. But they can't! So, in reality, they are actually creating MORE future terrorists.

You mean like they ended FATAH's and then the PLF's and then the PFLP's terrorists power over Palestinians?

They did this each time by Israel killing the terrorists and the terrorist leaders and then the names were incorporated into the PLO, an organization that today seeks a peaceful two-state solution. But they ALSO killed many innocent people. And the parents, sons, daughters, sisters, brothers, ... of those innocent people became Hamas.

What the hell makes you think that doing the same over and over will end the cycle?

The ONLY way to end this starts with them sitting down to negotiate a REAL two-state solution.